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Memphis owner now questions value of Gasol deal
« on: June 03, 2008, 03:23:21 PM »
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For months now, maybe the man most responsible for Los Angeles’ championship run has been ripped over the Pau Gasol trade. The mere mention of suspicions over Memphis’ motives gets the Grizzlies owner’s voice rising on the telephone, gets him going on the gossip that suggests something unseemly happened on the way to a Lakers renaissance.

Michael Heisley starts to ask, well, who is ripping Minnesota for the Kevin Garnett trade?

How about Seattle and Ray Allen?

“Is anybody jumping on Popovich in San Antonio because he traded that center to Houston for virtually nothing?” Heisley wondered.


Heisley was talking about Luis Scola, the forward, whom had been a long-ago draft pick of the Spurs. Only problem was, Scola never played a minute for the four-time champions. Gasol was the Grizzlies’ franchise player, and it was Spurs coach Gregg Popovich saying on the record what most of his peers had only the guts to say without attribution: What in the world was Memphis management thinking on the Gasol trade?

When much of the league was determined to make a serious bid for the 7-footer, how could Memphis settle so long before the February trade deadline for such a paltry offer out of the Lakers?

For the first time, even Heisley wondered whether his general manager, Chris Wallace, blew it by caving so soon to the Lakers.

“I don’t know if I got the most value,” Heisley confessed. “Maybe our people should’ve shopped (Gasol) more and maybe we would’ve gotten more, done a better deal. Maybe Chris did call every team in the league. I don’t think he did, but maybe he should’ve…”


Around the league, nothing will change this belief: Whatever the reasoning, this was one of the NBA’s worst trades in years. Most of all, rival executives wonder why they never had a chance to submit a best offer. For Gasol, the 7-footer who transformed the Lakers in the absence of Andrew Bynum, the Grizzlies were willing to take back the expiring contract of Kwame Brown, rookie point guard Javaris Crittenton, two future No. 1 picks and the draft rights to Gasol’s brother, Marc.

Crittenton is nothing special, and those draft picks in 2008 and 2010 will be near, if not at the end of, the first round. Gasol had demanded a trade out of Memphis, had been moping around, giving less than his best. Yes, he had to go, but you don’t trade your franchise player without getting back a minimum of a sure-thing young star and/or two solid young starters. For Memphis, salary-cap space will probably turn out to be money that’ll never make it back into the roster.

The one-sided nature of the trade inspired a lot of people to believe that retired Memphis GM, Jerry West, a Lakers’ legend, played a part in facilitating the deal. West was instrumental recruiting Wallace as his replacement in Memphis and still holds a close relationship with Heisley. His history in Los Angeles, especially his bond with Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak and star Kobe Bryant, made even the fair-minded cynical about the scenario.

Several sources close to the process insist West played no part, and Heisley swears, “Jerry didn’t know about the trade until after it was done.”

Still, it hasn’t stopped a rampant anger around the league that this wasn’t so much of a trade, as much as it was the word that Bryant himself used: a “donation.” Privately, the Lakers were thrilled that they were able to keep negotiations with the Grizzlies quiet because Los Angeles officials were blown away that they could get Gasol for so little.

One source with knowledge of the process said the Bulls had made the most credible offer. For Gasol and Memphis’ Hakim Warrick, the Bulls were willing to part with Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Thabo Sefolosha, possibly Adrian Griffin and draft picks.

Heisley didn’t offer up those names, but insisted, “Chicago wouldn’t offer us any of their good, core players,” he said. “Our people told me that we weren’t able to get equal trade value for Gasol and that we needed to do a deal that would give us cap space and draft picks. It was no secret in the league that we were considering offers for him, but the Lakers were the one team that stepped up.”

Heisley has been losing money in Memphis, a small market where the franchise has come to flounder. He tried to sell the team, but no one has reached his asking price. Around the league there are those who believe that Wallace was forced to turn the Gasol trade into a salary dump, and there are league officials, including a close friend, who believe, “There is no way that Chris ever would’ve made that trade on his own.”

“I have no buyer’s remorse,” Heisley said. “Listen, I can’t tell you how many people would tell me, wherever I went in Memphis, ‘Get rid of Gasol. …Trade Gasol.’ And then some of the same people are booing us because we traded him. But I don’t mind that. I’m a big boy. I can take it.”

He could live with watching Gasol playing an immense part in bringing the Lakers to the Finals, but he just wonders: When do we get our just reward for gutting this roster, for relentless futility? He keeps watching teams with better records get the luck of the bouncing balls in the draft lottery and the Grizzlies never get that transcendent player to save the franchise’s fortunes. Memphis missed on LeBron James and just one year ago, with the worst record in the sport, they still didn’t get a top two pick to take Greg Oden or Kevin Durant.

“We’ve been in the lottery more than anyone in the NBA, and we’ve definitely had the worst record twice as much as anyone else,” Heisley said. “This is sure a fantastic system we have – isn’t it? – where we’ve never gotten the No. 1 pick. Our ticket sales just stopped last year when we didn’t get one of the top picks. What’s the sense in of all this?”

The Grizzlies have been waiting for something, for someone to save them – maybe the bouncing the ball, maybe dumb luck – but they’ve done little to help themselves. The owner of the Memphis Grizzlies says, yes, come to him with criticism for the Gasol trade because he had the power to stop it. Now, he’s watched the Lakers rush to the NBA Finals, the immense impact Gasol has had with Bryant, and he’s asking the same question the rest of the league hasn’t stopped grumbling for months.

Did the Grizzlies get the best value possible for Pau Gasol?

“I don’t know if I got the most value,” he said.

Even so, you get the idea that, yes, the man most responsible for the Lakers’ championship run does know now.

Between February and now, that truth hasn’t changed. The answer’s still the same.

No way.

Not even close.

Only reason I'm not criticizing that organization for the Gasol trade is because they made my pipe-dream a reality. I appreciate them for that, but to be real - hell no they didn't get value for him!
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Re: Memphis owner now questions value of Gasol deal
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2008, 03:36:54 PM »
Lop-sided deals are a part of sports history....suckas should quit crying about it. Nobody stuck a gun to their heads or held them off of a balcony ala Suge. 
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Re: Memphis owner now questions value of Gasol deal
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2008, 03:42:41 PM »
People are hating too much on the Lakers because of this move. I mean do you remember when Lakers traded Shaq - the best player in the game - for Odom, Grant & Butler (and none of them were an All-Star)? Do you remember we made the Heat contenders all of a sudden? Do you remember you dissed the fuck out of our organization because of that move, making fun of Mitch and Jerry Buss? Do you remember how you blamed Kobe? Do you remember he thought we sucked so much he wanted to be traded? Well.. Now it's happened the opposite. Another team made us contenders all of a sudden receiving no All-Star players in return for their franchise player. So what's the deal? It happened to the Lakers, it happened to the Grizzles. It happens. General Managers makes mistakes. Chris Wallace did a big mistake. Gasol didn't flop. End of the discussion.
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Re: Memphis owner now questions value of Gasol deal
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2008, 04:01:38 PM »
^^ thatz some real shit
 

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Re: Memphis owner now questions value of Gasol deal
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2008, 04:13:36 PM »
This motherfucker better be. He fucked up the league for years to come. In a hardcore country, they would have lynched him by now.
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Re: Memphis owner now questions value of Gasol deal
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2008, 04:19:37 PM »
This motherfucker better be. He fucked up the league for years to come. In a hardcore country, they would have lynched him by now.

Again: nobody lynched Mitch for making the Heat contenders and NBA Champions by giving them the best player in the game for no All-Stars in return. Stop crying. Be real.
 

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Re: Memphis owner now questions value of Gasol deal
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2008, 04:22:57 PM »
This motherfucker better be. He fucked up the league for years to come. In a hardcore country, they would have lynched him by now.

Again: nobody lynched Mitch for making the Heat contenders and NBA Champions by giving them the best player in the game for no All-Stars in return. Stop crying. Be real.

Shaq: 32 years old
Gasol: 27 years old

Butler: All-Star now
Odom: one of the best players to never be an All-Star

Crittenton: unproven point guard

Heat 4 years after the trade: worst team in the league

Lakers prediction 4 years after the trade: elite, possible ring



Also: Shaq HAD to be traded, Gasol didn't have to be traded at all. Chris Wallace didn't even try to get a better deal. He didn't even wait till close to the trade deadline. He just went out and help the Lakers.
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Re: Memphis owner now questions value of Gasol deal
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2008, 04:31:02 PM »
C'mon, you're tripping now. Wasn't Shaq the most dominant player in the League or what? Didn't you make fun of our organization saying the Heat raped us or what? Shit, we didn't reach the playoffs after that trade for the first time in years. The Clippers owned us. We were the 2nd best team in L.A. and i'm sure you remember it cause you enjoyed it, being the Laker hater you are. We went from the NBA Finals to missing the Playoff. Memphis went from being an useless team to being a useless team with a good prospect and some cap room to rebuild. But that's not even the point. The point is that when we made that Shaq trade (NBA "experts" labelled it the "worst trade ever" at that time) you enjoyed it and you celebrated it. Just like you celebrated it when we sent Butler to Washington for that bum called Kwame Brown making the Wizards a playoff team. Now that we made a good move you're bitching. Stop being a hater.
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Re: Memphis owner now questions value of Gasol deal
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2008, 04:34:37 PM »
Lol, like it's anything special to like certain teams less than others. Come on now. I don't like the Lakers, but that's not the point... the point is, that we now have a team dominating the league for years to come. Doesn't matter if it's the Lakers or the Hawks.
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Re: Memphis owner now questions value of Gasol deal
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2008, 04:41:45 PM »
That's not my problem. Memphis didn't care about making the Lakers contenders (they'll never contend anyway): all they cared was to get cap room and a good prospect in return to rebuild from zero. You act like they had to protect your team or the League. They didn't and they didn't have to. They did their own interests. You can say they fucked it up. But you can't bitch about the fact we looks so scaring now. Expecially when your GM refused Kobe Bryant. Blame it on Cuban. You guys had a chance to get the best player in the game and he fucked it up. So stop bitching about the Grizzles.
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2008, 04:55:28 PM »
I think Antonio made the best point: its not fair that we're getting hated. We made the offer the accepted. Chicago was offering Gordon and Nocioni a year ago but they turned it down. Can't blame the Lakers for that.
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Re: Memphis owner now questions value of Gasol deal
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2008, 06:20:09 PM »
Talk about throwing your GM under the bus...LOL. They got 4 first round picks and an expiring contract for a former one time all-star. They might have been able to get a better deal if they worked their asses off negotiating with GM's across the league, but it was clear that nobody was gunna trade equal value for Gasol. If they wanted to save money, they got the best deal.


The Shaq deal worked out great for us...Anyone who still thinks that was a bad deal is an idiot. Shit can be the same for Memphis if Crittenton can live up to the potential and/or if those 2 first round picks we traded end up turning into solid-to-good players...or if they sign a big name with the money they saved by trading for an expiring contract. Fact of the matter is, there have been way more lopsided deals in the history of this league. And sometimes those lopsided deals do end up working out for both teams...PeACe