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The King:
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--- Quote from: LooN3y on June 13, 2008, 05:19:11 PM ---well somebody made us, u guys didnt hear about the microorganism that has a built in motor inside it? it wasnt man made and it couldnt of been made by nature.
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what about that ^, if not god thatn that must prove existence of aliens.
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A built in motor? Like an electric motor inside of a cell made of metallic elements? Do you have a scientific reference for it? Like a Journal article or even a news source? I think you need to be a little more critical of things you read on the internet. I guess religious people have a track record for lack of skepticism. Post a source, because I would love to read this.
Why did someone have to make us? What was Homo habilis, or Homo erectis? I greatly advice you take a course on human evolution or evolution in general. We are not descendants from modern apes, as many ignorant people try to say. No scientist thinks this. It's a vastly interesting subject, which many people over simplify. We are not that different from many of genus which we descended from.
LooN3y:
--- Quote from: The King of Mitt Romney's Fan Club on June 14, 2008, 07:54:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: LooN3y on June 14, 2008, 07:37:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: LooN3y on June 13, 2008, 05:19:11 PM ---well somebody made us, u guys didnt hear about the microorganism that has a built in motor inside it? it wasnt man made and it couldnt of been made by nature.
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what about that ^, if not god thatn that must prove existence of aliens.
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A built in motor? Like an electric motor inside of a cell made of metallic elements? Do you have a scientific reference for it? Like a Journal article or even a news source? I think you need to be a little more critical of things you read on the internet. I guess religious people have a track record for lack of skepticism. Post a source, because I would love to read this.
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ill post it once i find it it wasnt on ther internet though it was in a science amagazine my dad had.
The King:
Probing a Biological Motor
By Kate Wong
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Like many machines, cells have motors that help them carry out essential tasks. In the case of division�a process that goes horribly awry in cancer cells�a protein motor known as dynein plays a critical role. Indeed, dynein appears to ferry chromosomes and other materials to the appropriate locations within a cell before it splits in two. To get a better understanding of this motor, Ohio University researcher Elisar Barbar and her colleagues recently studied a few of its 12 components, which they described yesterday at the annual meeting of the Biophysical Society in Boston.
The scientists found that in order to function properly, dynein's components must have a certain form and must fit together in a particular way. Problems with even a single component, it turns out, can have disastrous effects. In studies of fruit flies, Barbar's team found that mutations in one of the dynein pieces, called LC8, can cause sterility, neural defects and even death. The team also examined where dynein's pieces link together and how the protein latches on to its cargo.
Much more work is needed before scientists fully understand how dynein operates. But when they do, they may then be able to disarm the protein to halt cancerous growths. If researchers can prevent dynein from transporting chromosomes, team member Michael Hare explains, cells won't divide. In fact, the anticancer drug Taxol is based on a related approach: it destroys the pathways on which the dynein motor travels. "You can either pull up the train tracks or destroy the engine," Hare observes. "It will have the same effect."
---- Many scientists love to throw in words like motor or machinery or other fancy terms for complicated cellular interactions. A flagella is essentially a "motor" but not in the same sense we know it as. It's not metallic based, it's just a series of protein interactions which act in a similar manner to a motor. Our cells have these "motors", every living thing has these.
--- Quote ---The bacterial flagellum is driven by a rotary engine made up of protein (Mot complex), located at the flagellum's anchor point on the inner cell membrane. The engine is powered by proton motive force, i.e., by the flow of protons (hydrogen ions) across the bacterial cell membrane due to a concentration gradient set up by the cell's metabolism (in Vibrio species there are two kinds of flagella, lateral and polar, and some are driven by a sodium ion pump rather than a proton pump[15]).
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They refer to it as a rotary engine, which is just an analogy. It's just a buzz word people add to scientific papers so they get noticed, and therefore get more funding. Like the word "Self-Assembly" in Supramolecular journals, just a fancy word for a common phenomenon.
Narrator:
^^^The Church claimed for quite some time that the Earth was only 10,000 years old.
The thing about gods is that...in a sense, they are mortal. I mean, who the fuck worships the old Greek or Roman gods anymore? Right? All gods are like that; they basically come and go as new religions are formed. Whereas we still remember the great philosophers like Galileo and Copernicus.
No matter how much the religious want to deny it, atheism is the next logical step. Think how long humanity centered around polytheism before moving towards monotheism. Doesn't it make so much sense that atheism will replace monotheism?
The King:
^ Completely agree. How was Zeus any less of a God, then the current God people follow now? How is Allah different from the god Christians worship? When the Greek civilization fell all those years ago, so did the faith in their gods. And their Gods became interesting stories and myths we all enjoy learning about today.
The real problem I have is most religious people, aren't even religious. Most teenagers in America drink, do drugs, and sleep with strangers. Aren't those sins? And don't most Americans claim to be "Christians"? If you're going to be a Christian, be a real fucking Christian. Most religious people today are casual, when they need god, when it's convenient to them, they pray. But when their drunk, passed out, they forget what the Bible even is. I have no respect for the Christian faith. Islam on the other hand, every Muslim I've met, prays, doesn't drink, doesn't lie, and are nice, respectable people. It's their lives. And devoting yourself to something larger then you, is highly respectable and should be encouraged. And that can be anything. Is a faith in science, and a devotion to science, any different? I'm not religious, but I have faith that science can and eventually will answer all our questions. What's religion done for our world? What's science done for our world? A hell of a lot more. Science progresses society, not religion. The whole stem cell thing is very troubling, a direct conflict between whats best for science/medicine and religious morals.
The other problem with religion is, it's usually not a choice. When you're born, usually you're parents decide you're faith for you. They baptize you, force you to go to Sunday school. Religious people are usually just born into it. What kind of freedom is that? I'm completely against the notion that people are born religious. You can become religious, that's fine. If a faith in God keeps you from drinking and driving, that's fine. But how can an infant make an important decision like deciding it's future faith?
Ideally, a child is not educated enough to make that choice, and usually by default, the parents are not educated enough to make that choice. A child should be born atheist, given a proper education up to high school, completely religion free. Let the child figure it out for himself. And once he completes that education, and gets his high school diploma, he can make an informed choice and which religion he wants. He can go to college, or different churches and learn which religion may be best for him. The ignorance between religions is remarkable. Only an educated person should be making the decision on his faith, after he's been educated about all faiths, including science.
If my parents told me God created life and the planet, and controls the weather, and all this other crap, maybe I would believe it. But you're basically screwing up your kids mind. How could any parent tell their kids God controls everything. God controls nothing. It removes the accountability, and the willingness to learn. If God did it, and that is a fact, why should I educated myself on a completely alternative theory? You're basically telling your kids, Science is a lie. It's the wrong message to be teaching a growing mind.
Did God move the continents or do Plate Tectonics? One is provable, and observable, the other is nonsense. I can't understand why religion exists the way it does today. Religion needs progressive leaders, to modernize religion. They need to put God in a modern context which is fluent with science, instead of contradictory. In it's current form, a person who believes in science is at odds with the specifics of the Bible. Why can't someone believe in God and science? Religion needs to change, become more modernized, or simply just go away. I would love to believe in a higher God, but I can't, because doing so and joining a religion, and accepting what the Bible says, would contradict every ounce of common sense I have. Atheism is the future if religion doesn't keep up with the times.
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