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could someone explain to me why anyone would vote for mc cain???
Low Key:
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--- Quote from: penenstamp on October 30, 2008, 07:57:28 AM ---Veterans have a lot of status in the US. I think the main reason McCain was chosen to run for president is because he's a war hero.
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That argument don't hold weight either because John Kerry is a war hero too when he ran against Bush 4 years ago, while Bush dodged serving in the National Guards.
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Kerry was sent home early from Vietnam because he shot himself. That normally doesn't constitute the label of hero, and most vets who served with Kerry didn't like him. But yeah, Bush dodged the Guard and Vietnam altogether.
Low Key:
--- Quote from: Chief on October 30, 2008, 05:31:09 AM ---i am bamboozled
his running mate is basically against the party now, she is completely inexperienced, and they both dont know shit about the economy.
why would anyone vote for mc cain?
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I'm not a fan of McCain, but you can't use inexperience as an excuse when Obama isn't anymore experienced than Palin. Obama is the one running for president. Palin isn't. You are right by saying they don't know shit about the economy, but what has Obama done to make him the defacto economic expert?
Javier:
--- Quote from: Low Key on October 30, 2008, 01:58:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: pootypooty on October 30, 2008, 09:30:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: penenstamp on October 30, 2008, 07:57:28 AM ---Veterans have a lot of status in the US. I think the main reason McCain was chosen to run for president is because he's a war hero.
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That argument don't hold weight either because John Kerry is a war hero too when he ran against Bush 4 years ago, while Bush dodged serving in the National Guards.
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Kerry was sent home early from Vietnam because he shot himself. That normally doesn't constitute the label of hero, and most vets who served with Kerry didn't like him. But yeah, Bush dodged the Guard and Vietnam altogether.
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The SBVT were a bunch of assholes trying to just discredit Kerry for his service. Swiftboating even became a term thanks to these assholes. Here's the true story
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The Third Purple Heart
The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth further says Kerry didn't deserve his third purple heart, which was received for shrapnel wounds in left buttocks and contusions on right forearm. The Swift Boat group's affidavits state that the wound in Kerry's backside happened earlier that day in an accident. "Kerry inadvertently wounded himself in the fanny," Thurlow said in his affidavit, "by throwing a grenade too close (to destroy a rice supply) and suffered minor shrapnel wounds."
The grenade incident is actually supported by Kerry's own account, but the shrapnel wound was only part of the basis for Kerry's third purple heart according to official documents. The evidence here is contradictory.
Kerry's account is in the book Tour of Duty by Douglas Brinkley, who based it largely on Kerry's own Vietnam diaries and 12 hours of interviews with Kerry. "I got a piece of small grenade in my ass from one of the rice-bin explosions and then we started to move back to the boats," Kerry is quoted as saying on page 313. In that account, Kerry says his arm was hurt later, after the mine blast that disabled PCF-3, when a second explosion rocked his own boat. "The concussion threw me violently against the bulkhead on the door and I smashed my arm," Kerry says on page 314.
And according to a Navy casualty report released by the Kerry campaign, the third purple heart was received for "shrapnel wounds in left buttocks and contusions on his right forearm when a mine detonated close aboard PCF-94," Kerry's boat. As a matter of strict grammar, the report doesn't state that both injuries were received as a result of the mine explosion, only the arm injury.
The official citation for Kerry's Bronze Star refers only to his arm injury, not to the shrapnel wound to his rear. It says he performed the rescue "from an exposed position on the bow, his arm bleeding and in pain." The description of Kerry's arm "bleeding" isn't consistent with the description of a "contusion," or bruise.
Rassmann's Aug. 10 Wall Street Journal article states that Kerry's arm was "wounded by the explosion that threw me off his boat," which would make that wound clearly enemy-inflicted.
In any case, even a "friendly fire" injury can qualify for a purple heart "as long as the 'friendly' projectile or agent was released with the full intent of inflicting damage or destroying enemy troops or equipment," according to the Web site of the Military Order of the Purple Heart. All agree that rice was being destroyed that day on the assumption that it otherwise might feed Viet Cong fighters.
Another major discrepancy raises a question of how close Kerry's accusers actually were to the rescue of Rassmann. Tour of Duty describes Rassmann's rescue (and the sniper fire) as happening "several hundred yards back" from where the crippled PCF-3 was lying, not "a few yards away," the distance from which the anti-Kerry veterans claim to have witnessed the incident.
Twentytwofifty:
There are a bunch of reason to vote McCain. He's more experienced, he's more conservative economically, he has served his country and is a hero, etc. I just love how some people just think their choice is the only reasonable choice and anyone who doesn't agree is stupid, everyone's an expert. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with voting for McCain because it's not like Obama is the second coming of Christ.
With that said, if I could vote I'd go with Obama, that's just me.
Mr. O:
I don't get why McCain won't drop STUPID ASS joe the plumber when he don't give a fuck about McCAin. Geez...joe been busy getting his publisher and his contract to do music..LMAO.
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