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For all you Obama groupies...
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on February 04, 2009, 04:40:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Javii on February 04, 2009, 04:30:41 PM ---Bush or any Repbulican would never want a Federal program to weatherize your home. That's in the works with Obama as President, something that Bush-led Congress would never approve of. And there's plenty of little important things like that shows the difference between the two. Now this whole fantasy you guys have about eliminating the Federal Reserve, etc....it's just not going to happen anytime soon. The fact is that Obama didn't campaign on getting rid of it or anything like it.
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You mean to control the temperature in your home? and if so, you call that a good thing, a government having the power to decide your thermostat. Also the Federal Reserve was only one element, if that was all, well it could be grudgingly accepted but it sure isn't, that's only the tip of the iceberg.
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You must not live in cold weather. I digress, I think we learned months ago you and I will never be on the same page on topics like these.
virtuoso:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on February 04, 2009, 04:43:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: virtuoso on February 04, 2009, 04:40:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Javii on February 04, 2009, 04:30:41 PM ---Bush or any Repbulican would never want a Federal program to weatherize your home. That's in the works with Obama as President, something that Bush-led Congress would never approve of. And there's plenty of little important things like that shows the difference between the two. Now this whole fantasy you guys have about eliminating the Federal Reserve, etc....it's just not going to happen anytime soon. The fact is that Obama didn't campaign on getting rid of it or anything like it.
--- End quote ---
You mean to control the temperature in your home? and if so, you call that a good thing, a government having the power to decide your thermostat. Also the Federal Reserve was only one element, if that was all, well it could be grudgingly accepted but it sure isn't, that's only the tip of the iceberg.
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You must not live in cold weather. I digress, I think we learned months ago you and I will never be on the same page on topics like these.
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You don't understand, captain planet and his team of simians are going to decide for you, that's the issue here. In the "interests of saving the earth", captain planet must be prudent, you have to balance your needs with conserving energy.
Javier:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on February 04, 2009, 04:40:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Javii on February 04, 2009, 04:30:41 PM ---Bush or any Repbulican would never want a Federal program to weatherize your home. That's in the works with Obama as President, something that Bush-led Congress would never approve of. And there's plenty of little important things like that shows the difference between the two. Now this whole fantasy you guys have about eliminating the Federal Reserve, etc....it's just not going to happen anytime soon. The fact is that Obama didn't campaign on getting rid of it or anything like it.
--- End quote ---
You mean to control the temperature in your home? and if so, you call that a good thing, a government having the power to decide your thermostat. Also the Federal Reserve was only one element, if that was all, well it could be grudgingly accepted but it sure isn't, that's only the tip of the iceberg.
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Home Weatherization isn't just controlling the temperature in your home. The government deciding the power of your thermostat? Are you kidding me?! You're overreacting, all we're talking about is a way of saving energy. Something that should have been done a long ass time ago. Why should we use energy excessively when there are ways we can reduce it, to help each and every one of us.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Mr. Javii on February 04, 2009, 07:13:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: virtuoso on February 04, 2009, 04:40:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Javii on February 04, 2009, 04:30:41 PM ---Bush or any Repbulican would never want a Federal program to weatherize your home. That's in the works with Obama as President, something that Bush-led Congress would never approve of. And there's plenty of little important things like that shows the difference between the two. Now this whole fantasy you guys have about eliminating the Federal Reserve, etc....it's just not going to happen anytime soon. The fact is that Obama didn't campaign on getting rid of it or anything like it.
--- End quote ---
You mean to control the temperature in your home? and if so, you call that a good thing, a government having the power to decide your thermostat. Also the Federal Reserve was only one element, if that was all, well it could be grudgingly accepted but it sure isn't, that's only the tip of the iceberg.
--- End quote ---
Home Weatherization isn't just controlling the temperature in your home. The government deciding the power of your thermostat? Are you kidding me?! You're overreacting, all we're talking about is a way of saving energy. Something that should have been done a long ass time ago. Why should we use energy excessively when there are ways we can reduce it, to help each and every one of us.
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You are talking to someone who voted for Ron Paul, who wasn't even on the ballot... you are talking to someone with a real grip of reality.
Kill:
well virtuoso, i will not lie about the fact that some of the stuff mentioned by you is unknown to me (flatulence tax and whatnot) and don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that obama's every single word deserves lavish praise. nevertheless, you said some things that i can't quite agree with
--- Quote from: virtuoso on February 04, 2009, 04:05:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kill on February 04, 2009, 03:20:24 PM ---I love the title "changefest"...and some people are just not able to handle satire. stewart's point was to show how similar presidential rhethorics are when they come from different people with approaches that are actually different. this wasn't about showing obama is similar to bush, which, frankly and no matter how much you like obama or not, is a rather dumb thing to say
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How is it dumb? and again there is this refusal to see a distinction it's not about liking or disliking an individual it's about what they stand for. Me and others have pointed out hundreds of times why nothing is changing, at least not changing for the better anyway but here is a quick run down.
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this is slightly contradictive. it could change for the worse and ruin the world and still the point would be that it changed :)
--- Quote ---The military is staying put in Iraq, there are some 30 permanent bases in Iraq need I remind you
The troops are being withdrawn from Iraq but in turn are being used to bolster the troop numbers in Afghanistan
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how is that not change? iraq is a country still pretty much lying in shambles but its government was no terrorist threat to begin with. obama opposed the war from the start and so on a hypothetical level it is improbable that a obama/biden administration would have set this thing off. now he's taking over from a monumentally idiotic president who fucked up good in the middle east and he has to be pragmatic. a complete withdrawal of all troops would be irresponsible at this point. and gradually shifting the focus to the real hotspot is not such a dumb idea.
--- Quote ---Supposing guantanamo bay is closed, Obama has just ordered the continuation of CIA extroadinary renditions aka the kidnapping of civilians who are to be placed in "secret prisons" aka other torture centres.
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i read he didn't. either my source was spreading bs or yours. still, the guantanamo shutdown is progress. the equation is not change + no change = no change. it might be change + no change = too little change, yes.
--- Quote ---The Federal Reserve is still there and even if it loses some of it's power, it's already been discussed in Davos that a new world central bank needs to be created, further centralising power.
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so you expected dude to step up and eliminate the federal reserve system first thing after taking office? c'mon....and what's "it's already been discussed in Davos" has to do with a president who's kept US presidence in that very place at the lowest level possible?
--- Quote ---He is fully supportive of carbon tax, which gives them the opportunity to basically tax every facet of your life, more taxes, going into a depression hmmm
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you might not like that and i agree it could be abused but the main aim of carbon tax is to protect the environment. environmental protection wasn't exactly high on bush's agenda, and that's who we're comparing obama to right now. and elevated taxes don't automatically create a depression, although there's definitely a very difficult correlation there.
--- Quote ---He supported the bank cash give aways in fact he even appeared before congress to give an impassioned speech urging the bail out bill to be passed.
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and why didn't the bail-out make it through congress the 1st time? mostly because of conservative republicans (like bush). the reason that bush supported it was that he's been part of a gigantic failure and knew he needed to compensate. the reason it was opposed by people on the left was populism ("don't bail out the billionnaires"), the reason that the right opposed it was to take a step away from bush's policies and, erm, populism ("don't take people's taxes and make big government out of them").
the fact is that, sadly, the bail-out was needed to prevent the economy from going into an unprecedented freefalling spiral. obama is supportive of imposing regulations on banks that have received tax money, he has harshly critisized high wages and he wants to facilitate things for labor unions. that is very unlike bush dude.
..............................i'd get into some more statements you made, but i have a bus to catch right now, so i'll leave you with this for the moment
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