It's June 03, 2024, 09:31:24 AM
LOL@idiots who follow shit like 82games instead of watching games for themselves and making legit judgement...this shit doesnt take into account shit like Kobe not playing most the 4th quarters this year due to every game being a blowout...step it up. according to todays Lakers-Warriors broadcast, Kobe got voted by 80% of the league and 90% of the coaches and gms as the person they'd want to shoot the last shot of the game. the next highest person on the list (probably either wade or lebron) got 3%...3 fucking %...this thread=more proof stats doesn't mean shit.
Everybody knows Kobe is the definition of clutch player.
Quote from: Antonio on February 19, 2009, 01:48:24 AMEverybody knows Kobe is the definition of clutch player....besides stataholics who can't sit through a game. and even they know whatsup deep inside.
But bottom line, down by 2, final shot, who do you want taking it? Exactly.
82games.com uses a very narrow definition of clutch plays. There is more to being a clutch performer then just making the final shot. How about performances in the last 2 minutes? 3 minutes? It can be just as crucial as what leads up to that final play. Then again it is pretty hard to factor in all those variables into sortable stats. As far a Kobe goes, I've felt that over the past couple years, he's fallen a little short of his reputation. This is almost always done by forcing shots he shouldn't take or playing outside of the offense (see game 3 of last years playoffs against the Jazz). Other times he plays hot in the 4th quarter and never looks back. But bottom line, down by 2, final shot, who do you want taking it? Exactly.
Quote from: Ted Since `87 - Fuck the Broncos on February 19, 2009, 02:14:31 PMBut bottom line, down by 2, final shot, who do you want taking it? Exactly.What do u mean by "taking it"? As in, "who do you want with the ball in his hands"? Kobe can create a shot for himself as well as anyone in the league, but I dont always want the guy with the ball in his hands at the end of the game to be the one always taking the shot. I want the guy who wont turn it over, wont force a stupid shot, and gets his team the BEST POSSIBLE shot whether its him who takes it...or somebody else.
Quote from: Ted Since `87 - Fuck the Broncos on February 19, 2009, 02:14:31 PM82games.com uses a very narrow definition of clutch plays. There is more to being a clutch performer then just making the final shot. How about performances in the last 2 minutes? 3 minutes? It can be just as crucial as what leads up to that final play. Then again it is pretty hard to factor in all those variables into sortable stats. As far a Kobe goes, I've felt that over the past couple years, he's fallen a little short of his reputation. This is almost always done by forcing shots he shouldn't take or playing outside of the offense (see game 3 of last years playoffs against the Jazz). Other times he plays hot in the 4th quarter and never looks back. But bottom line, down by 2, final shot, who do you want taking it? Exactly.WEll, if anyone wants a more accurate depiction of who is really clutch, check this, also fro 82games.com. And yes, I know stats don't mean everything, and in the case they don't support your boy, they mean nothing, but this is still interesting to b-ball junkies.Sortable NBA Player "Clutch" StatsFor these stats "Clutch" is defined as: 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points 2007-2008 NBA Season StatsLast update: 4/17/2008 Click on a column header to sort by that stat Production per 48 Minutes of Clutch Time Team Plr Gm Min +/- +/- Fga Fg% 3pA 3p% Fta Ft% Pts Ast'd Reb Ast T/o Blk Stl CLE James 51 215 141 +31 36.1 .475 12.3 .309 22.5 79% 56.0 23% 9.6 8.2 3.6 2.2 2.9 LAL Bryant 39 136 31 +11 33.8 .448 4.6 .385 23.3 84% 51.8 23% 8.1 6.0 4.2 0.7 0.4 DAL Nowitzki 40 131 45 +17 30.5 .422 8.8 .333 19.9 87% 46.0 45% 13.6 4.4 1.8 1.8 0.7 SAS Ginobili 35 127 49 +18 20.3 .574 9.4 .440 16.9 93% 43.3 38% 7.2 10.5 2.6 0.4 3.0 CHI Gordon 31 118 -52 -21 28.2 .377 9.8 .458 18.0 90% 42.0 61% 2.9 2.9 4.1 0.0 1.2 SEA Durant 35 135 -15 -5 23.4 .470 5.3 .667 18.4 88% 41.8 61% 5.7 2.8 4.3 2.1 1.8 MIL Redd 41 146 -34 -11 26.6 .395 10.8 .273 21.3 83% 41.6 31% 5.9 3.6 3.9 0.0 0.7 PHO Nash 40 139 36 +12 21.0 .508 10.3 .533 15.2 88% 40.3 16% 4.8 12.8 6.2 0.0 0.7 PHO Stoudemire 36 140 33 +11 22.6 .500 1.0 .000 20.9 81% 39.8 75% 14.4 1.0 2.4 1.0 2.4 GSW Jackson 39 140 58 +20 19.5 .474 15.7 .457 16.4 85% 39.7 85% 5.8 2.7 2.4 0.7 0.7 NOH Paul 30 131 30 +11 24.5 .478 5.5 .400 15.7 83% 38.8 15% 6.2 10.6 2.6 0.0 2.9 This is for last year, but it shows you that Kobne and Lebron were far and away the best ture "clutch" players last year. Basically, what this all means is Kobe isn't quite as good as some people think in the clutch, and Lebron is better than people think.But I agree if I needed one shot to win it, I would still go with Kobe. But he isn't on a Jordan-like level or anything.