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POLL - Population control?
Chief:
isnt population growth important to a good economy?
Rugged Monk:
yeah i reackon generally it is. like India and China are a powerhouse because they have such a huge population to draw from, but of course without skills, industry or infastructure then a huge population is useless, in India most of the people are dirt poor and poor people keep having kids that they can't really take care of or provide for, so poverty continues, but at the same time its hard to blame people for having kids because hey thats what people do children bring joy to the world and such. the poll kinda oversimplified the issue. Overfiend is a bit of a lunatic often he takes over poor Rugged Monk's brain goes out and does fucked up shit...
Furor Teutonicus:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on March 06, 2009, 12:42:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Ján Ïtor on March 06, 2009, 10:55:41 AM ---we need to reduce the earth population by any means necessary. Of course it'd be better to achieve it without forcing people.
Agent Smith from 'The Matrix' got it right: 'I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.'
This planet can't handle so many people, especially when they live like we do in western countries. A decreased population would increase the overall quality of life.
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You sound like a Nazi, mixed in with Stalinist ideology just for good measure, if you believe that humans are such a cancer, well do the right thing and join lots of morons in pledging to take their own life.
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Truth hurts huh? Like every other living thing we try to expand. But since we're different than all other beings, we have to do it by destruction ( otherspecies and the planet). Every animal exploits the planet in some way, but the power of human destruction is unmatched. The nature is a complicated system of checks and balances, but who is there to keep us in check? We've become too dominant. We think that we have the control with our intelligence and reason, but we have not. We all know the negative effects of our actions, but we're still not able to stop them. Some things are inevitable, so I don't worry about population growth too much, and I don't follow anybody or 'morons' as you say because things will happen anyway. I rather sit back and live my life because nobody knows how many years or centuries we have left. We can't go back to the past, the human is destined to aim for 'progress', we're already almost godlike, we have the weapons destroy our planet faster than any 'God' could, and we can start to manipulate life by genetics.
I'm not a devout believer, but it always reminds me of the story about the Tower of Babel.
Rugged Monk:
I like the Tower of Bable, I like multiculturalism and the merging of consciousness, knowledge and ideas, also the increasing inter-connectiveness of nation's economies and interests is inevitable. I think that a good reason for the multiculturalism of Western nations is to ensure we have a sort of Noah's Arch, because underdeveloped countries are not as equipped to deal with natural disasters which we will get more and more of sweepingly violent now and in the not too distant future, whether because of HAARP, man-made, neither, either, or a combination of all; whatever your belief affords.
Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us".
-Genesis 3:22
virtuoso:
--- Quote from: Rugged Monk b/w The Overfiend on March 07, 2009, 05:20:57 PM ---I like the Tower of Bable, I like multiculturalism and the merging of consciousness, knowledge and ideas, also the increasing inter-connectiveness of nation's economies and interests is inevitable. I think that a good reason for the multiculturalism of Western nations is to ensure we have a sort of Noah's Arch, because underdeveloped countries are not as equipped to deal with natural disasters which we will get more and more of sweepingly violent now and in the not too distant future, whether because of HAARP, man-made, neither, either, or a combination of all; whatever your belief affords.
Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us".
-Genesis 3:22
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Alas we can not be the crutch for the rest of the world. many european nations are effectively bankrupt, unless you treat the cause, then the parasite will not be tamed, the parasite sucking off the entire world are the banks. If we eradicate the parasites and I don't mean physically go after them but I mean smash their system of control, then we kill the parasite. Indeed you said it yourself when using India as an example, the cast system remains very much alive and well and the dirt poor have lots of kids.
I look at the UN as this... an organisation with many well intentioned people but it's ultimate goals are very dangerous, I just read through their global biodiversity assessment 1981 (i believe) Section 10 and it calls for the creation of biospheres, a reduction in agriculture and or a drive to stop small farms and instead centralise agriculture into big agricultural corporations. That was within just a few paragraphs...
Wipe out the small farmers
Establish huge zones where no construction can take place and for those who have homes there, well that's just too bad
Environmentalists will think that's a good thing but this is just control freakery under the banner of saving the earth.
Or indeed the paradox, those caring individuals with a good heart wanting to help the plight of the people but then the UN carrying out a program of mass vaccinations, vaccinations which are extremely dangerous to everyones health, particularly in the number being given.
Now I am all for cutting down on general pollution but not at the expense of squeezing people, not at the expense of bringing harm to bear on people. I am glad someone else I believe it was Chief pointed it out, we need more new borns because there are so many elderly people now, that there will not be enough to keep the economy moving forwards. This therefore brings into context the nihilism of these people who consider themselves higher human beings, people like Nanci Pelosi who recently said that people need to have less babies because that will help the economy. However meanwhile the flood of illegal immigration from Mexico continue unimpeded. Of course people try and spin this viewpoint and say oh you are attacking the illegal immigrants when in reality it's just pointing out that a) they bring a massive burden on the economy and b) if you support these people then you should also support their right to have kids.
As for population control, well I became very ill back in June, by October I was in so much distress and pain, that I was crying like a baby but thankfully the surgeons were great and I came through it. Ever since then, it's made me appreciate the beauty of life, I can not believe that someone could actually forcibly sterilise another human being, I can not believe that Kissinger can talk about using food as a weapon against people. I have love for everyone, regardless of race or gender, I see a continuing trend emerge, slowly and incrementally human beings are being dehumanised.
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