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I really don't. 2 parts hydrogen, 1 part oxygen; your going to get water every time. When we are thirsty we have to drink water or we die. If we never eat we will die. There are certain laws in this world, and I think they actually exist in everything we do, it's just that it's not as obvious as the examples that I gave above. Another way to look at it is this. If you were going to build a house, you would have to have knowledge of what to build before you build it, and of what the end result would look like. You can't make a toilet, unless you first know what a toilet is. So therefore, for this world to be created, the Creator had to have knowledge beforehand of all things.
Please, do stop mixing things up.No one questioned whether humans are have a thinking faculty. No one questioned whether we have a will.
Another way to look at it is this. If you were going to build a house, you would have to have knowledge of what to build before you build it, and of what the end result would look like. You can't make a toilet, unless you first know what a toilet is. So therefore, for this world to be created, the Creator had to have knowledge beforehand of all things.
Quote from: rhodamagnetics on April 05, 2009, 11:39:24 AMPlease, do stop mixing things up.No one questioned whether humans are have a thinking faculty. No one questioned whether we have a will.? I thought the thread title was 'I don't think that there is free will...I really don't'.
how about coming to dubcnn.com. Isn't that a freewill?
"You don't need to build a house or a toilet, you can sleep under someone else's roof or you can take a shit outside on the lawn, right? Of course you have a free will."Whether or not you can "take a shit outside on the lawn" has nothing to do with the freedom of the will; it only says that there is such a thing as a will and the ability to choose."Every-single moment is an exercise of your will and a choice is made, even in the most mundane of matters like to fart or scratch your ass are choices that have huge consequences, for instance if you don't allow yourself to fart you may get a stomach ache later...."Same story. You have the ability to choose, but it says nothing about how autonomous those choices are.
The argument from what the ancient Greeks believed, and what Buddhists and Hindus believe, is pretty weak too, although it perhaps does say a lot about how deeply and blindly influenced you are. So what if that's what others believe? What does that say about what is true and what is not?
"IMO, we have choices, those choices impact the world around us and effect the karmic chaos/order."Yes, yes, and yes.Now let us bring it back to square one: are those choices part of the "karmic chaos" which is already there, and are they thus always influenced by the course of things, or is there some sort of thing beyond the material existence where the will co-exists?
Quote from: pc8381 on April 06, 2009, 06:19:13 AMhow about coming to dubcnn.com. Isn't that a freewill? nope. Just appears like it is, but really all this was decided way in advance.its kind of like a hitter in baseball. All we see is the swing. We don't see everything that came before, the wieghtlifting, hours of practice, techniques he learned way back in little league, and so on. Its actually the preparation that goes on in his head before the 100 mile an hour fastball that determines the swing. The swing is just a manifestation of what was already a forgone conclusion.