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What percentage of global warming deniers can't differentiate?
RETURN OF THE OVERFIEND!:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on April 06, 2009, 03:27:19 AM ---
Overfiend, I am trying to work with what I have, the problem is as soon as you accept that humans are the problem, i.e. breathing, then humans can be completely dehumanised, forcible sterilsation, and or imposing massive fines on families who breaks the rules on the number of children, carbon rationing cards etc. It is they who want to impose new thinking, new bureaucracies, new regulations, so I think your point overlooks that. Unless of course you are saying why resist it, accept it and the simple response to that is without balance, you create a very unbalanced world and the pr stage of this event is to win the hearts and minds, well I don't contest that saving energy is a good thing for example as long as it's not done with the intention of treading on people. Now I have absolutely no doubts whatsoever that these plans could be implemented to benefit everyone but it seems very apparent that throughout all of the deadly pollutants ignored, that really their agenda is not for the betterment of humanity.
I also think it's important not just for balance but for also informing people because for instance I have had a similar debate/discussion with some English peeps and at first they thought this whole issue was about cutting down car journeys, cutting down on deforestation etc, they didn't even know that a carbon rationing card had been suggested, in fact they laughed at me first of all, thought I was making it up. The problem is as the media is determined to present just one angle, how can I not be expected to be cynical? Also by the way, there is nothing wrong with cynicism, furthermore reforms are often to the detriment of society, so the message of "move with the times" in itself is just a message of acquiescence.
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Well your perspective assumes and/or has come to know, with conviction, that the aims are sinister.
I see that there is always going to be the potential for something sinister, but that is not necessarily the intent or even the most probable outcome. I think most people don't mind or will come to accept rationing their carbon emissions. I don't mind that we may have to tread on people and drastically change our way of life either, that is if, the justification is genuine and to me, regardless of global warming or climate change, there is justification enough in a clean environment. I don't care about climate change or global warming, I want less of a human impact on the environment period, because yes, I am a radical nutcase fueled by utopian ideals.
Sure the governments have left out many (many, many, many) other harmful things, that is because, I think, they want to move slow to try and smooth the transition. In the end, Overfiend will get that utopia, if not this Overfiend then the next, or the one after that...
virtuoso:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on April 06, 2009, 06:40:59 AM ---What is so funny, is because people confuse CO and CO2, you want to make an argument saying global warming ain't real. So because some people deny the Holocaust, was that not real then, or if you got hit in the mouth, but you didn't know if it was a right fist or a left fist, then it never happened. Get out of here. Your arms are too short to box with God. Of course the average person will confuse CO and CO2, because the average person has no idea about it.
Fact, we have a heating Earth and smaller glaciers; and we can do something about it.
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Ah once again you are only proving my point, defeating a non existent argument. Who are the people that confuse carbon monoxide with carbon dioxide? I will repeat it again the so called experts have been telling us that CO2 is the problem!. You are playing a paper tiger game here and it's pathetic.
I knew it wouldn't take long for the issue of the holocaust to be raised, it's base propaganda, comparing denying the holocaust to this. Your arms are too short to box with a midget you aint even a featherweight!, that is why you resort to such bs lol.
Why are you denying that the media has been pushing the hysteria on CO2?
Are you denying that global cooling is taking place?
If you are, perhaps you have a complete inability to read, and or until someone from the democrat party states publicly that global cooling is taking place, followed by a but about worse is yet to come, you will deny what you have read....who knows...you might even call one of the media annoined experts on global warming a conspiracy theorist if he mentions global cooling.
virtuoso:
Where is the humanity in stepping on people? drastically changing the typical persons way of life, means drastically reducing their standard of living, economic growth has been prominent during industrial activity. So that will in turn create even more disparity between the rich and the poor and completely destroy the middle class.
This ignores all of the pollutants which are being used which never get mentioned, so the idea of a clean environment with so many things ignored, is a false reality.
One persons utopia is another persons nightmare, the word in itself is clearly subjective. I to want less of a human impact on the environment, they can start by getting rid of depleted uranium, halting the dumping of nuclear waste, ripping all of the gm crops, but will it happen? of course not, they benefit from those things and they will benefit from taxing carbon dioxide because everything we do produces carbon dioxide. Perhaps they should tax the biggest animals to, perhaps impose a methane tax on giant whales since some people want a tax put on cattle ;D
They left out many things because what it equates to is incredible control, this is like stepping back into history 400 years. It's just a more slick, high tech slavery instead, one is which it is true, a lot of people would thank them for, lost in happiness brought about by servitude.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on April 06, 2009, 09:55:49 AM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on April 06, 2009, 06:40:59 AM ---What is so funny, is because people confuse CO and CO2, you want to make an argument saying global warming ain't real. So because some people deny the Holocaust, was that not real then, or if you got hit in the mouth, but you didn't know if it was a right fist or a left fist, then it never happened. Get out of here. Your arms are too short to box with God. Of course the average person will confuse CO and CO2, because the average person has no idea about it.
Fact, we have a heating Earth and smaller glaciers; and we can do something about it.
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Ah once again you are only proving my point, defeating a non existent argument. Who are the people that confuse carbon monoxide with carbon dioxide? I will repeat it again the so called experts have been telling us that CO2 is the problem!. You are playing a paper tiger game here and it's pathetic.
I knew it wouldn't take long for the issue of the holocaust to be raised, it's base propaganda, comparing denying the holocaust to this. Your arms are too short to box with a midget you aint even a featherweight!, that is why you resort to such bs lol.
Why are you denying that the media has been pushing the hysteria on CO2?
Are you denying that global cooling is taking place?
If you are, perhaps you have a complete inability to read, and or until someone from the democrat party states publicly that global cooling is taking place, followed by a but about worse is yet to come, you will deny what you have read....who knows...you might even call one of the media annoined experts on global warming a conspiracy theorist if he mentions global cooling.
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See, here is where you get lost. You keep pushing the media, and CO2. That maybe what's on the mainstream, but that's like saying Soulja Boy represents Hip-Hop. It's all on the cover and is not what a true liberal believes. You keep with this media thing, TURN OFF YOUR TV.
virtuoso:
A carbon rationing card is aimed at rationing the usage of CO2. are you denying that now to? I don't really much tv bro, except for a few programmes, I mostly get the news from the publications.
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