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and many believe that the two are the same and thats OK because maybe they are

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jeromechickenbone:

--- Quote from: virtuoso on April 08, 2009, 10:16:17 AM ---
This is the problem, when one "conspiracy" leads to accusations or indirect accusations of another "conspiracy" it becomes a cluster fuck. I don't think Alex Jones or anyone associated with him would take out anyone. If you consider Jones to be a shill, then that's a long way from being someone with that kind of "muscle". Furthermore Cooper acknowledged on the Alex Jones show in 1998 that "if i was to be murdered on his doorstep then so be it". So back during the time in which he and Alex Jones were not at loggerheads, his life was clearly threatened even then.

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No, I'm not suggesting it was Alex Jones that put out the hit.  Alex Jones is just an arm of the beast of misinformation and propaganda.  The people that were after Cooper were very high up behind the scenes - that's who I believe killed Cooper.

RETURN OF THE OVERFIEND!:

Word not only them, heaps of people persecuted by the Church: pagans, scientists, mystics, freemasons, the Templars...



The point is if you look into it, it isn't the modern media Hollywood-Chritian, Islamic conception of Lucifer they believe in.

Bananas:
Opinions: If these older "religions" weren't forced underground, would they still manifest themselves in what we consider a 'sinister' way? True, they are operating within the shadows of society, and they do have unseen influence, but that's because they were forced to do so when Christianity spread wildly and excluded them, er, blackballed and persecuted them. I don't see the concept of Illuminati as a terrible thing, nor the idea of a fallen angel bringing power to humanity. If anything, the concept of worshiping a vengeful God through Christianity and organized religion in general is the evil power structure, that rooted our people in the ways that have brought pain and suffering to the world. If the Christian doctrine were true, than hail Satan! Maybe hell is a lie to blind us from recognizing our power here on earth.

RETURN OF THE OVERFIEND!:
Exactly. Alot of the secrecy is traditional because of the historical persecution, also just because something is esoteric dosn't mean it is meant to be a super secret, they are more kinda open secrets for anybody who takes an interest in learning can discern their deeper meaning. Thats the nature of esoteric knowledge, it is seen only by the individual who takes it upon themself to understand it.







The Fool comes to the foot of an enormous black mountain where reigns a creature half goat, half god. At his hooves, naked people linked to the god's throne by chains, engage in every indulgence imaginable: sex, drugs, food, gold, drink. The closer the Fool gets, the more he feels his own earthly desires rising in him. Lust, passion, obsession, greed. "I refuse to give into you!" he roars at the Goat god, resisting with all his might. The creature returns a curious look. "All I am doing is bringing out what is already in you," the beast responds. "Such feelings are nothing to fear, nothing to be ashamed of, or even to avoid." The Fool gestures angrily at the chained men and women, "You say that even though they are enslaved?" The Goat-god mimics the Fool's gesture. "Take another look."

The Fool does so, and realizes that the chained collars the men and women wear are wide enough for them to easily slip off over their heads. "They can be free if they wish to be," the Goat-god says, "Though you are right. I am the god of your strongest desires. But you see here only those who have allowed their base, bestial desires to control them." At this the Goat-god gestures upward, toward the peak of the mountain. "You do not see those who have allowed their impulses and aspirations to take them up to the top of that mountain. Inhibitions can enslave as easily as excesses. They can keep you from following your passion to the highest heights." The Fool realizes the truth in this, and that he has mistaken the Goat-god. Here he understands now that it is not a creature of evil, but of great power, the lowest and the highest, both of beast and god. Like all power it is frightening, and dangerous...but it is also the key to freedom and transcendence if understood and well used.

virtuoso:

--- Quote from: Halloween Sound Effects on April 08, 2009, 02:02:05 PM ---Opinions: If these older "religions" weren't forced underground, would they still manifest themselves in what we consider a 'sinister' way? True, they are operating within the shadows of society, and they do have unseen influence, but that's because they were forced to do so when Christianity spread wildly and excluded them, er, blackballed and persecuted them. I don't see the concept of Illuminati as a terrible thing, nor the idea of a fallen angel bringing power to humanity. If anything, the concept of worshiping a vengeful God through Christianity and organized religion in general is the evil power structure, that rooted our people in the ways that have brought pain and suffering to the world. If the Christian doctrine were true, than hail Satan! Maybe hell is a lie to blind us from recognizing our power here on earth.

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Going with the train of thought, it's apparent that as these groups think that they have the ultimate power, then they have empowered themselves as god, going beyond the religion angle, that means they believe they are all powerful and that they rule over humanity. Now history will tell you that whenever one group of people have believed this, they basically believe that anything they do is justified. The one angle looks at religion being the controlling influence, but Lenin specifically targeted the religion of the Ukrainians because he wanted to crush them and their spirit. In his writings he is basically declaring that he is god and this is what you will find, those that attack religion throughout history have not done so to bring peace and enlightenment to the world, instead their purpose has been to create themselves as god's in this world. Now for the record I am not religious because I reject the notion that life has to led along a certain path, I will never defend religion but it's important to recognise the motivations and or dangers which underpin secularization.

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