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U kno what I hate more than black people who still complain about slavery today?

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virtuoso:

Okay Fraxx, all slavery is horrific, but white children were sold into slavery, they were treated as sub human, the prisoners who were forced to go to the caribbean were treated as sub human, they were disenfranchised, just because the white so called intellectuals apologise for their suffering by using terms like "indentured servitude" does not escape this fact.
The scots retained a history while being slaughtered and stripped of their land, just like the irish, many irish, english scots found themselves being work to death in the sugar mils. As far as the elite of the day were concerned these people were not worthy of respect, pity, they were scum who were there only to serve a purpose for their masters.

Tell me why is it when a group of scumbags rule over a society that for them to view black's with disdain is worse than viewing white lower slass as scum? Let's not forget that the black slave trade would not have been possible without a co-ordinated and well organised slave trade in Africa which included the participaton of black's, the upper class black people. As far as I am concerned history has been skewered so much that it never addresses anything other than fragments which push an agenda.

M Dogg™:
You know what, I was going to write a response but I am being lazy, but think that the perfect response is this...

The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World.  His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies.

By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat (70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves at this time).

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and over 300,000 were sold as slaves.

Ireland's population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade.

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were forcibly taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England.  Another 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia while 30,000 Irish men were sold to the highest bidder.

In 1656, Oliver Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

African slaves were very expensive (50 Sterling), had to be transported long distances and paid for not only in Africa but in the New World.  Irish slaves were cheap (no more than 5 Sterling) and most often were either kidnapped from Ireland, prisoners or forcibly removed.  They could be worked to death, whipped or branded without it being a crime.  Many, many times they were beat to death and while the death of an Irish slave was a monetary setback, it was far cheaper than the death of an expensive African.  Therefore, African slaves were treated much better in Colonial America.

The importation of Irish slaves continued well into the eighteenth century, long after the importation of African slaves became the norm.  Records state that after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.

Irish slavery didn't end until Britain decided to end slavery in 1839 and stopped transporting slaves.

Ghost Drebin:
They should offer teachers combat pay for teaching at inner city schools.

virtuoso:
It's amazing mdogg how you can criticise me for my lack of understanding and yet be so utterly ignorant towards the magnitude of Irish slavery but also it's longevity.
For this not to be well known is a betrayal of history.

M Dogg™:

--- Quote from: virtuoso on April 16, 2013, 12:58:01 AM ---It's amazing mdogg how you can criticise me for my lack of understanding and yet be so utterly ignorant towards the magnitude of Irish slavery but also it's longevity.
For this not to be well known is a betrayal of history.

--- End quote ---

My post was dealing with the events and history of the US. I am a US history major after all. This is the first place that race was written into rules. Which is why in England, they enslaved Irish because to them ethnicity was written into rules. But I am coming for a US prospective, not a British/Irish prospective. What happened to the Scottish and Irish were horrific, and inline with what the abuse that the British performed through the world as they had colonies everywhere. Hell our foreign policy is basically policing the former British Empire (especially in the Middle East). With that said, I am not ignorant to Irish slavery or Scottish slavery, I just don't see how they compare to African slavery. What they experienced is still an issue in the British Isles and the Irish even separated and started their own nation. The troubles experienced by the Irish is still being felt today. So I am very confused at the point you are trying to make.

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