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Dre-Day:
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--- Quote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:37:58 AM ---Mark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. 8)
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you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.
ask Matty
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Maybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.
Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it lol
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i hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss :laugh: :'(
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It's neither ;)
I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks :-\
Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss ;D
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you know you can be a critic & still enjoy a track.
--- Quote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:30:51 AM ---
--- Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:17:25 AM ---
--- Quote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:11:01 AM ---
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--- Quote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:35:58 PM ---Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
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like who?
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Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
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i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
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Khalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. :-[
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i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person :P
cause i can write pages about that too ;)
but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.
that's bias right there
How is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact.
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it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.
it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.
you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as Dre
--- Quote from: Okka on May 08, 2009, 05:09:41 AM ---Aye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?
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it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3am
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Paris doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.
Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.
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stop looking so deep into the example; you were discrediting Dr.Dre for the fact that he doesn't do everything by himself.
i used Paris as an example, just to point out that there's nothing wrong with not doing everything by yourself.
also, lol at the sarcasm. why are switching the subject & taking my word out of context?
by the way, there's no point in trying to save your face in this conversation.
this isn't about who's right or wrong.
but i would appreciate it if you just admitted that you're biased about Dr.Dre
he may be overrated, but that's another story.
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I'm discrediting Dre because he does very little himself and yet he gets all the recognition when, in fact, he has a good number of people who make him who he is. And I'm discrediting his fans who only give recognition to Dre himself. And the Paris example is perfect for what I originally said in my 1st post.
LOL@ trying to save face. You've got to be kidding me!! I'm one of the few on here who uses logic when I write. And I'm not biased towards Dre. I'm honest. I love some of his work and the guy has an incredible ear for music but that's it. I know of many who have an incredible ear for music though. And it doesn't take them 10 years to produce a record. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.
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again, it's not a fact that Dre does very little by himself, you just assume.
no i'm not kidding: you're trying to get away with it.
the truth is, you can't.
you can use funny wordplay, switch the subject, deny that you're being biased,
but this radical defending strategy won't make a difference.
you can be mature about it & and actually be honest, by admitting that you were biased.
that's what i tried to tell you in my last post.
we could also go on off course, that's fine too.
i was just trying to help you realise something
Portugoal:
10 pages of discussion about a most likely subpar album... *smh*
Okka:
--- Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 06:15:52 AM ---again, it's not a fact that Dre does very little by himself, you just assume.
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Well, if you can believe Sam Sneed, Daz Dillinger, Snoop Dogg, J.Flexx, Bad Azz and some others, Dre "produces" it doesn't mean he makes the beat.
kuruptDPG:
can sum1 link me with the album please?
Laconic:
--- Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 06:15:52 AM ---
--- Quote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 06:04:02 AM ---
--- Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:47:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 05:18:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:07:37 AM ---
--- Quote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:53:33 AM ---
--- Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 04:41:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:37:58 AM ---Mark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. 8)
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you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.
ask Matty
--- End quote ---
Maybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.
Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it lol
--- End quote ---
i hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss :laugh: :'(
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It's neither ;)
I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks :-\
Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss ;D
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you know you can be a critic & still enjoy a track.
--- Quote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:30:51 AM ---
--- Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:17:25 AM ---
--- Quote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:11:01 AM ---
--- Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 02:41:17 AM ---
--- Quote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 03:10:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 03:00:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:54:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 02:47:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:35:58 PM ---Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
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like who?
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Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
--- End quote ---
i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
--- End quote ---
Khalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. :-[
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i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person :P
cause i can write pages about that too ;)
but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.
that's bias right there
How is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact.
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it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.
it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.
you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as Dre
--- Quote from: Okka on May 08, 2009, 05:09:41 AM ---Aye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?
--- End quote ---
it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3am
--- End quote ---
Paris doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.
Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.
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stop looking so deep into the example; you were discrediting Dr.Dre for the fact that he doesn't do everything by himself.
i used Paris as an example, just to point out that there's nothing wrong with not doing everything by yourself.
also, lol at the sarcasm. why are switching the subject & taking my word out of context?
by the way, there's no point in trying to save your face in this conversation.
this isn't about who's right or wrong.
but i would appreciate it if you just admitted that you're biased about Dr.Dre
he may be overrated, but that's another story.
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I'm discrediting Dre because he does very little himself and yet he gets all the recognition when, in fact, he has a good number of people who make him who he is. And I'm discrediting his fans who only give recognition to Dre himself. And the Paris example is perfect for what I originally said in my 1st post.
LOL@ trying to save face. You've got to be kidding me!! I'm one of the few on here who uses logic when I write. And I'm not biased towards Dre. I'm honest. I love some of his work and the guy has an incredible ear for music but that's it. I know of many who have an incredible ear for music though. And it doesn't take them 10 years to produce a record. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.
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again, it's not a fact that Dre does very little by himself, you just assume.
no i'm not kidding: you're trying to get away with it.
the truth is, you can't.
you can use funny wordplay, switch the subject, deny that you're being biased,
but this radical defending strategy won't make a difference.
you can be mature about it & and actually be honest, by admitting that you were biased.
that's what i tried to tell you in my last post.
we could also go on off course, that's fine too.
i was just trying to help you realise something
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Wow. We went off topic from the thread so I will respond one last time and then take it to the PM if need be. I'm not assuming that DRE does little by himself...the proof is in his discography. He doesn't write, doesn't play any instruments, needs co-producers, needs engineers, needs his slave master Jimmie, needs his idiot Eminem and so forth. I think he would actually release more if he didn't have all these people around him...so that needs to happen IMO. But if you're so omniscient then please reveal what it is that DRE actually does do besides pressing some buttons and coming up with some melody in his head. IMO, it takes a whole hell of a lot more to be considered the greatest producer ever in hip hop.
Secondly, The truth is I'm not trying to "get away" with anything. That is an assumption. My wordplay is the way I write...take it or leave it. Everything I've said has been relevant to the conversation with emphasis on the Paris example and the other producers who assiduously release really solid music without a plethora of individuals doing the majority for them. I have no idea why you are fervently defending DRE when, in fact, there is not a whole lot to defend. When he starts dropping records on a regular basis without a dream team by his side I'll be glad to admit that I was wrong and will probably enjoy the music that much more.
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