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Life After Death is another definite classic in my book. I know some people say it isn't as good as the first album and whatever because it has a universal sound and some R'n'B sounding beats, but BIG came 100% correct with the lyricics and flow as he did on the first album.Speaking of The Chronic, how do people on this message board rate 2001?
Quote from: KaiserSoze on May 17, 2009, 10:03:30 AMYou really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.I feel you i can see why people think its a classic its just me i guess but i liked the pre RD jay-z more. A 1993/1994 album from Jay would be a definite CLASSIC jay killed that shit
You really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.
Illmatic.i think it's one of Nas' best albums, but it's not a classic for me.i'm not really into eastcoast rap
Quote from: Raphael on May 17, 2009, 10:15:57 AMQuote from: KaiserSoze on May 17, 2009, 10:03:30 AMYou really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.I feel you i can see why people think its a classic its just me i guess but i liked the pre RD jay-z more. A 1993/1994 album from Jay would be a definite CLASSIC jay killed that shitIf you haven't already you might want to check out the Early Hova part of the "Library of a Legend" collection in that case. I can find you a link if you want.I agree with D-Nice on 2001, production-wise the album is insane, and I remember the first time I got high and bumped it I was thinking about how much of a classic it was, but as time passed that thought faded a lot, it is a hard one to judge overall I think. If we're talking about the real elite bracket of hip hop albums, such as where I would put RD, Ready to Die, Illmatic etc I would have to say that 2001 misses out. By the way, I'm suprised at some of the criticism which Eminem gets for the Eminem Show. I know it was hard to follow up the Marshall Mathers LP but IMO the Eminem Show was Em really starting to blossom with his multi-syllable style. MMLP for me though would be a classic, dude gets a lot of heat from "hip hop heads" for being white but if Nas was spitting those crazy Em tracks, telling a story and spitting his feelings with that kind of lyricism people would be saying it was the best shit since Illmatic.
I think The Black Album is way overrated. Yes, there are lots of big names associated w/ the production. And yes, there are 3 or 4 really dope songs on there. Outisde of those 3 or 4, the rest is average at best and at times below average. Kanye's production was wack, Neptunes was boring, Quik was boring, etc. Tim and Just Blaze were tight.
Nas dont need to spit like eminem at all. Dudes does his own thing and his cv speaks for itself.
Quote from: Raphael on May 17, 2009, 10:15:57 AMQuote from: KaiserSoze on May 17, 2009, 10:03:30 AMYou really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.I feel you i can see why people think its a classic its just me i guess but i liked the pre RD jay-z more. A 1993/1994 album from Jay would be a definite CLASSIC jay killed that shitIf you haven't already you might want to check out the Early Hova part of the "Library of a Legend" collection in that case. I can find you a link if you want.
Quote from: KaiserSoze on May 17, 2009, 10:26:21 AMQuote from: Raphael on May 17, 2009, 10:15:57 AMQuote from: KaiserSoze on May 17, 2009, 10:03:30 AMYou really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.I feel you i can see why people think its a classic its just me i guess but i liked the pre RD jay-z more. A 1993/1994 album from Jay would be a definite CLASSIC jay killed that shitIf you haven't already you might want to check out the Early Hova part of the "Library of a Legend" collection in that case. I can find you a link if you want.I agree with D-Nice on 2001, production-wise the album is insane, and I remember the first time I got high and bumped it I was thinking about how much of a classic it was, but as time passed that thought faded a lot, it is a hard one to judge overall I think. If we're talking about the real elite bracket of hip hop albums, such as where I would put RD, Ready to Die, Illmatic etc I would have to say that 2001 misses out. By the way, I'm suprised at some of the criticism which Eminem gets for the Eminem Show. I know it was hard to follow up the Marshall Mathers LP but IMO the Eminem Show was Em really starting to blossom with his multi-syllable style. MMLP for me though would be a classic, dude gets a lot of heat from "hip hop heads" for being white but if Nas was spitting those crazy Em tracks, telling a story and spitting his feelings with that kind of lyricism people would be saying it was the best shit since Illmatic.Eminem Show is a personal classic to me. Had little to almost no guest appearances, which I digged about it, and like you said his bars were sharp on there. Squaredance a is perfect example of that. Had a couple goofy ass tracks but not as much as Encore. That was also the last album you seen from Em that had heavy production from him.
Quote from: d-nice on May 17, 2009, 10:31:38 AMQuote from: KaiserSoze on May 17, 2009, 10:26:21 AMQuote from: Raphael on May 17, 2009, 10:15:57 AMQuote from: KaiserSoze on May 17, 2009, 10:03:30 AMYou really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.I feel you i can see why people think its a classic its just me i guess but i liked the pre RD jay-z more. A 1993/1994 album from Jay would be a definite CLASSIC jay killed that shitIf you haven't already you might want to check out the Early Hova part of the "Library of a Legend" collection in that case. I can find you a link if you want.I agree with D-Nice on 2001, production-wise the album is insane, and I remember the first time I got high and bumped it I was thinking about how much of a classic it was, but as time passed that thought faded a lot, it is a hard one to judge overall I think. If we're talking about the real elite bracket of hip hop albums, such as where I would put RD, Ready to Die, Illmatic etc I would have to say that 2001 misses out. By the way, I'm suprised at some of the criticism which Eminem gets for the Eminem Show. I know it was hard to follow up the Marshall Mathers LP but IMO the Eminem Show was Em really starting to blossom with his multi-syllable style. MMLP for me though would be a classic, dude gets a lot of heat from "hip hop heads" for being white but if Nas was spitting those crazy Em tracks, telling a story and spitting his feelings with that kind of lyricism people would be saying it was the best shit since Illmatic.Eminem Show is a personal classic to me. Had little to almost no guest appearances, which I digged about it, and like you said his bars were sharp on there. Squaredance a is perfect example of that. Had a couple goofy ass tracks but not as much as Encore. That was also the last album you seen from Em that had heavy production from him.While im not the biggest fan of eminem show for the vibe in some ways thought i do agree there was some great moments of growth/maturity from eminem, one of my favourite eminem tracks is on that album. Soldier.
Quote from: LyRiCaL_G on May 17, 2009, 10:30:06 AMNas dont need to spit like eminem at all. Dudes does his own thing and his cv speaks for itself.I think you're misunderstanding my point. I'm not saying Nas needs to spit like Em at all, what I was saying was that I think some of the people who say that the MMLP isn't a classic would be bouncing off walls if it was a Nas album, because no matter how crazy Em gets with his lyrical ability some people are never gonna give him real credit.
Quote from: LyRiCaL_G on May 17, 2009, 10:35:26 AMQuote from: d-nice on May 17, 2009, 10:31:38 AMQuote from: KaiserSoze on May 17, 2009, 10:26:21 AMQuote from: Raphael on May 17, 2009, 10:15:57 AMQuote from: KaiserSoze on May 17, 2009, 10:03:30 AMYou really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.I feel you i can see why people think its a classic its just me i guess but i liked the pre RD jay-z more. A 1993/1994 album from Jay would be a definite CLASSIC jay killed that shitIf you haven't already you might want to check out the Early Hova part of the "Library of a Legend" collection in that case. I can find you a link if you want.I agree with D-Nice on 2001, production-wise the album is insane, and I remember the first time I got high and bumped it I was thinking about how much of a classic it was, but as time passed that thought faded a lot, it is a hard one to judge overall I think. If we're talking about the real elite bracket of hip hop albums, such as where I would put RD, Ready to Die, Illmatic etc I would have to say that 2001 misses out. By the way, I'm suprised at some of the criticism which Eminem gets for the Eminem Show. I know it was hard to follow up the Marshall Mathers LP but IMO the Eminem Show was Em really starting to blossom with his multi-syllable style. MMLP for me though would be a classic, dude gets a lot of heat from "hip hop heads" for being white but if Nas was spitting those crazy Em tracks, telling a story and spitting his feelings with that kind of lyricism people would be saying it was the best shit since Illmatic.Eminem Show is a personal classic to me. Had little to almost no guest appearances, which I digged about it, and like you said his bars were sharp on there. Squaredance a is perfect example of that. Had a couple goofy ass tracks but not as much as Encore. That was also the last album you seen from Em that had heavy production from him.While im not the biggest fan of eminem show for the vibe in some ways thought i do agree there was some great moments of growth/maturity from eminem, one of my favourite eminem tracks is on that album. Soldier.For the record I don't consider it a hip hop classic, but one of those I personally think is, but yeah I agree. I think Nas' last album is a bit overrated as well. Dope as fuck but not a classic and it is waaaaay too early to gauge.