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--- Quote from: Shallow on June 16, 2009, 03:03:42 PM ---I think the Wings of the last 15 years have rivaled the 70s/80s Isle and 80s Oilers. Whether they won as many in a short time or not they have been at the brink of it just about every year and they completely changed their team in such a low and incredible that they didn't lose a step. I really marvel at how well that organization has been run. They are already set up to be a force for the next 4 or 5 years and they've already been a force for the last 15.


Do I think Lindros was ever as good as Crosby is now? No, but he was a step away from it in his absolute prime. He just slid fast. Do I think Crosby is as much of a baby now as Lindros always was? No to that as well. But Lindros was never crowned. Crosby has been and he needs to realize that and class up. There have been 10 or so next Gretzky's since Gretzky and the only two I can think that passed the test were Mario and Sid, in terms of making it with the pressure on. Joe Thornton initially collapsed but has recently become more solid, and Spezza is decent. But Crosby has excelled from day one to now ad I have to respect that, and I do it gladly. If he just spent a little more time watch Mess or Yzerman he'd realize what a leader is. Wayne and Mario had Gordie Howe to look and he was a master. Sidney needs to be careful with his whining and cheap shots because he's not sellingthe game like Wayne did and won't be as protected as they were. I don't want to see him get hurt, and I don't want to see him take someone else out with a cheap play.

I'm not saying the 5 young guys, that are the nucleus of that team and the reason they will go back if they go back, weren't important to those playoffs. If they weren't there they would not have won any round but it was the very hungry vets playing like vikings that made them win just as much as the young guys. So I mean these old timers were more important than many other teams with vets. My end point on this is simple. None of that would have mattered if the Red Wings just played Red Wing Hockey. That is the frustrating part I guess. Knowing that all they had to do was make easy passes and take time wit the puck when they had it and this thing wouldn't have lasted 5 games.

Seeing a guy get crowned for a series like that is a little annoying, but I can live with it. 40 years later Joe Namath still gets credit for beating the Colts. The Jets would have won that game if I was playing QB. The league simply needs stars to fake importance.


I left the Oil with Mess. He was my guy as a kid. As a teen it was Yzerman. I'm not loyal to teams. I'm loyal to styles of play. That goes for any sport. If the Wings started winning Cups by playing like Jersey did in the 90s I'd jump off that no problem. I don't care if they were winning. I like to see certain styles of play succeed. Not to say there is no room for any goon, but when you have more goons that skilled players I don't like it. Just give me a bunch of guys who can skate, pass, and shoot, and do it with class and just throw in 1 or 2 guys to protect them from cheap shots and I'll be happy. We really lacked a goon in this series. He really could have turned around game 3, 4, 6, or 7. Ah well.

Nice Hockey talk. Here's to next year!




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You say watch Messier and Yzerman but if you remember correctly people said Yzerman wasent a true leader untill he won the cup in 97 and he was about 29-30 years old by then.

The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES:
1) The "rookies" owned for Detroit
2) Franzen was MVP of the playoffs
3) Datsyuk really is a major component of the Wings dominance
4) Detroit got out-coached

Shallow:

--- Quote from: Mtl 's M-0-s-T on June 16, 2009, 10:49:03 PM ---
You say watch Messier and Yzerman but if you remember correctly people said Yzerman wasent a true leader untill he won the cup in 97 and he was about 29-30 years old by then.

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Those people were idiots. Steve was captain at 21 and his first year as leader he lead them to the top of the division. He wan an offensive force throught out the whole 80s. Bowman got him to be a defensive force as well, and Russia gave him a team worthy of a championship. Fucking guy spent 20 years as captain and he stuck through it. He was never a princess. When he had it out with Bowman for not playing D and trade rumours started he could have played princess and said fine trade me and watch me score, but instead he worked on his D and became among the best at two way play and inspired that team to become a real force in the next few years. I don't think Crosby is the calibre of human being to ever do it like Steve Y did it but time will tell.

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