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--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 19, 2009, 03:00:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: Styles1 on June 19, 2009, 02:45:25 PM ---Kobe has a long way to go before he retires. Let's continue this debate in about 7 to 8 years.
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no doubt, but here's my thing...
let's say in a year or so this Laker squad breaks up & Kobe never wins another ring, but continues to put up the same stats (i mean look at the Celtics, shit happens).
so he never wins another ring, but you people will still stay debating that he is the best & shit.
so basically MJ is in a lose-lose situation for this debate, regardless of when it takes place. :P
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Its simply not going to happen. In major sports in the US, there are basically 3 All time greats, where there is almost no debate about it. Jordan, Ali, and Tiger Woods. Jordan was crowned the greatest ever during his career. And at that time, there was very little debate. Shit wasnt it Magic that said "theres Michael Jordan, and then there's the rest of us"? With Tiger, its pretty clear he will go down as the greatest golfer ever...barring some horrible accident where he can never play golf again. Ali is difficult to guage because none of us were around at that time to truly get what the perception of him was during his career. Not to mention, there was so much political bullshit that lead to a lot of white America being very anti-Ali. But Kobe would have to pull off something miraculous to pass Jordan as the all time great. As I said, many dont even consider him a top 10 yet, but consider Shaq and Duncan in the top 10. So how people (Laker fans) try to push for Kobe> Jordan is fucking confusing lol.
Chamillitary Click:
^i can't really say anything about Ali, but i hear a lot of people say Joe Fraizer >>> Ali.
but i know what you mean, when you think boxing, Ali's name comes up; some with Tiger in golf & same with MJ and ball.
baseball & football really don't have a clear cut face for greatest.
i mean generally it's Babe Ruth, but it's easily debatable & football their are just so many different positions how do you determine the "best".
i hear analysts all the time saying that this (4th ring) pushes Kobe into a more exclusive list & maybe cracking the top ten; but you have to somewhat question it.
but think, doesn't it seem like you have to be a guard to be concidered the best.
Duncan won & nobody is debating he is the best, it just doesn't make sense lol.
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--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 19, 2009, 03:52:47 PM ---^i can't really say anything about Ali, but i hear a lot of people say Joe Fraizer >>> Ali.
but i know what you mean, when you think boxing, Ali's name comes up; some with Tiger in golf & same with MJ and ball.
baseball & football really don't have a clear cut face for greatest.
i mean generally it's Babe Ruth, but it's easily debatable & football their are just so many different positions how do you determine the "best".
i hear analysts all the time saying that this (4th ring) pushes Kobe into a more exclusive list & maybe cracking the top ten; but you have to somewhat question it.
but think, doesn't it seem like you have to be a guard to be concidered the best.
Duncan won & nobody is debating he is the best, it just doesn't make sense lol.
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I think that Jordan changed the game in such a way, that a bigman would have a difficult time being considered the greatest ever now, because you are always going to compare to Jordan. Its not natural to compare a great Center or Power Forward now, to Jordan. Chances are you will pick a 2 guard, or maybe a small forward. But definetely a perimeter player. Thats why, when it comes to the NBA...i almost lean more towards picking the greatest ever at their position. Im a Spurs fan, but i dont feel it makes sense to just say Duncan>Kobe. They cant really be compared. Ive always said I felt Kobe was or will be the 2nd best 2 guard ever. Duncan is the best PF ever. Jordan is an exception to the rule, and if you took him out of the equation Kobe and Duncan would both be on the all time starting 5 by the time theyre done.
Styles1:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 19, 2009, 03:00:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: Styles1 on June 19, 2009, 02:45:25 PM ---Kobe has a long way to go before he retires. Let's continue this debate in about 7 to 8 years.
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no doubt, but here's my thing...
let's say in a year or so this Laker squad breaks up & Kobe never wins another ring, but continues to put up the same stats (i mean look at the Celtics, shit happens).
so he never wins another ring, but you people will still stay debating that he is the best & shit.
so basically MJ is in a lose-lose situation for this debate, regardless of when it takes place. :P
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not really...because regardless of what me, you, or anybody says - these things will always be debated and nobody will really be right. Even those that back Jordan, thats just their opinion. There is no official crowning of anybody - just a collective group of people that get argued as being the best.
Every icon has a case for and against.... Joe Louis and Marciano fans will argue against Ali. Jack fans will argue against Tiger (as Tiger hasn't even broken his record yet) and Jordan will always have someone to argue against him as well.
Fuck it..we all like who we like.
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: Styles1 on June 19, 2009, 06:38:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 19, 2009, 03:00:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: Styles1 on June 19, 2009, 02:45:25 PM ---Kobe has a long way to go before he retires. Let's continue this debate in about 7 to 8 years.
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no doubt, but here's my thing...
let's say in a year or so this Laker squad breaks up & Kobe never wins another ring, but continues to put up the same stats (i mean look at the Celtics, shit happens).
so he never wins another ring, but you people will still stay debating that he is the best & shit.
so basically MJ is in a lose-lose situation for this debate, regardless of when it takes place. :P
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not really...because regardless of what me, you, or anybody says - these things will always be debated and nobody will really be right. Even those that back Jordan, thats just their opinion. There is no official crowning of anybody - just a collective group of people that get argued as being the best.
Every icon has a case for and against.... Joe Louis and Marciano fans will argue against Ali. Jack fans will argue against Tiger (as Tiger hasn't even broken his record yet) and Jordan will always have someone to argue against him as well.
Fuck it..we all like who we like.
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