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Quote from: GET YOUR WALK ON on June 28, 2009, 02:00:41 PMvalid points but wait or so you dont consider crooked one of the greatest considerin hes one of the best to ever touch a mic (accordin to many)-who can wreck a mic like crooked? (there are some but snoop doesnt come close)-who can deliver like crooked? (there are some but crookeds one of the dopest to it)bottomline, him bein one of the best lyricists to ever wreck a mic should validate him as bein one of the bestnow i want a album from him no doubt, and he needs to drop 1, but him not havin a album shouldnt make him a "wack rapper" or any less bein considered as one of the best cuz he didnt drop a album Being a great lyricist is a very important part of it but it's only part of the picture. Being one of the top lyricists but never putting out an album is kind of like being one of the top scorers in the NBA but never making the playoffs. There are more factors to it than having great lyrics. For example, there is Pac. Arguably one of the top runners in "the greatest" debate. In my opinion, if we're judging strictly on his skill as a lyricist, he's probably not even in the top 50. But he's probably the most influential artist in rap music. He had a work ethic that was unmatched. When it came to writing heartfelt shit, he was in a class all his own. Guys like Jay-Z and Eminem are called the "greatest" not just strictly because they are great lyricists but because they know how to make songs that leave a lasting impression. Snoop might not be a hardcore mic-ripper but when it comes to delivering something on a smooth, laid-back sing-songy kind of tip, he carved a niche for himself with that style when he broke into the game. He was identified as being the voice behind that sound. Whether he was the first or best person to ever do that style is as irrelevant as whether N.W.A where the first or best group to make "gangsta" rap records. Guys like Crooked I, Jadakiss, Ras Kass, Canibus... All some of the best lyricists in rap but very rarely mentioned in the same breath as Pac, Big, Scarface, etc. when it comes to the debate of who the best artists are.
valid points but wait or so you dont consider crooked one of the greatest considerin hes one of the best to ever touch a mic (accordin to many)-who can wreck a mic like crooked? (there are some but snoop doesnt come close)-who can deliver like crooked? (there are some but crookeds one of the dopest to it)bottomline, him bein one of the best lyricists to ever wreck a mic should validate him as bein one of the bestnow i want a album from him no doubt, and he needs to drop 1, but him not havin a album shouldnt make him a "wack rapper" or any less bein considered as one of the best cuz he didnt drop a album
damn u still havent logged off...ur hurting everyone with all this wack shit u drop, it hurts more then getting the swine fluQuote from: Laconic on March 16, 2010, 08:21:33 AMTue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:15 AM By: Ice CubeMe and Mack 10 together again? I never say never, but he has the kiss the ring first.Cubegbee:@ Petey: you sound like a broken record, time to grow up.
Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:15 AM By: Ice CubeMe and Mack 10 together again? I never say never, but he has the kiss the ring first.Cube
nah i feel what your sayin but jus cuz crooked hasnt released a album shouldnt be a reason to shoot down his entrance to bein one of the best aite no album from crooked but the traxx that he has released have been dope and some have been fire, some even state them as bein classicim talkin about the flow that he has that not many will ever be able to have again or come thru wit againof course wit a album he would have solidified his spot and been looked at differently as he is now cept hes bein looked at different now cuz hes dope but hasnt dropped a album stillwhile crooked has been "kept" behind moreso than others, still those others have made mistakes jus like crooked has. again crooked has prolly made more, but there arent many who come close to crookeds flow which is why he should be considered one of the bestONE OF THE BEST LYRICALLY (WHICH ISNT EVEN A DEBATE LOL)and i dont know whos crooked battled wit, but I think he could take them on in a battleand im speakin more on a base of makin muzik, as in goin in the lab and cookin something up even tho crooked battles or freestyles, that isnt where he creates the best work-ITS MAKIN SONGS IMOQuote from: Jimmy H. on June 28, 2009, 03:41:04 PMQuote from: GET YOUR WALK ON on June 28, 2009, 02:00:41 PMvalid points but wait or so you dont consider crooked one of the greatest considerin hes one of the best to ever touch a mic (accordin to many)-who can wreck a mic like crooked? (there are some but snoop doesnt come close)-who can deliver like crooked? (there are some but crookeds one of the dopest to it)bottomline, him bein one of the best lyricists to ever wreck a mic should validate him as bein one of the bestnow i want a album from him no doubt, and he needs to drop 1, but him not havin a album shouldnt make him a "wack rapper" or any less bein considered as one of the best cuz he didnt drop a album Being a great lyricist is a very important part of it but it's only part of the picture. Being one of the top lyricists but never putting out an album is kind of like being one of the top scorers in the NBA but never making the playoffs. There are more factors to it than having great lyrics. For example, there is Pac. Arguably one of the top runners in "the greatest" debate. In my opinion, if we're judging strictly on his skill as a lyricist, he's probably not even in the top 50. But he's probably the most influential artist in rap music. He had a work ethic that was unmatched. When it came to writing heartfelt shit, he was in a class all his own. Guys like Jay-Z and Eminem are called the "greatest" not just strictly because they are great lyricists but because they know how to make songs that leave a lasting impression. Snoop might not be a hardcore mic-ripper but when it comes to delivering something on a smooth, laid-back sing-songy kind of tip, he carved a niche for himself with that style when he broke into the game. He was identified as being the voice behind that sound. Whether he was the first or best person to ever do that style is as irrelevant as whether N.W.A where the first or best group to make "gangsta" rap records. Guys like Crooked I, Jadakiss, Ras Kass, Canibus... All some of the best lyricists in rap but very rarely mentioned in the same breath as Pac, Big, Scarface, etc. when it comes to the debate of who the best artists are.
he sure deserves to be considered one of the greatest, but there are too many rappers that are great and never reached wide mainstream love because of their business moves or for example extra intelligent lyrics etc etc, they dont have the ability to dumb down for greater masses or refuse to.. crooked is most complete rapper today when it comes to flow, lyrics, storytelling...etc dude has it all. no matter how biased some people are they should check just few of his songs and its gonna be clear to them that dude is complete as they come:Rap Killers, My Life, All I Ever Wanted, Uh Oh, I Love The Ghetto, Ive Suffered Too Long, Nobody Understands Me, Boom Boom Clap, Str8 Bosses, Ride Wit A G, Niggaz Got Games....i can go on and on, not to mention some of the HHW shit. Croooked I for sure one of the GOATS, no doubt, thats not even a debate, we can just feel sorry for people that never heard of him or never had a chance to.
As far as rhyming, I'll say he's pretty good, but even then his vocabulary isn't really anything special. But being lyrical isn't all about rhyming as I said earlier. Its about wordplay, using metaphors, similes, having emotion, being able to cover a wide range of subject matter, being able to do conceptual type songs. Crooked isn't a complete lyricist in that respect.As far as flow, no he's not one of the best. In my opinion he's got an average flow. He doesn't ride the beat as well as some other artists can. When I listen to a Crooked I song, I listen to it for the lyrics, but most of the time I don't go "damn he made that beat his." And as far as making songs, HELL NO Crooked doesn't come close to being one of the greatest. We've got over 30 years of classic hip hop songs, hundreds of rappers with classic albums and songs and Crooked's greatest accomplishment is a freestyle series where he uses other people's beats and song concepts.
albums are so 1990's...we're in the digital era now....nobody cares about CDs lol
Dave Chappell As 2pac > Crooked I rap & comedy.
Quote from: Brown Guy on June 29, 2009, 04:40:17 PMDave Chappell As 2pac > Crooked I rap & comedy.fixed.
let's say Crooked I put out a great album, a near classic, maybe even a classic album & it sold 15,000 copies; would that "album" raise Crooked I on "whose the best?" lists?i mean if it doesn't matter how it sells, what does it matter if he makes one?i said it before, he could have taken any 15 Hip Hop Weekly's (could have been his 15 WORST ones) & put an original beat over it & 80% of the people on this board would call that album "near classic".Crooked I's greatest hits are better than more than half of rappers putting out shit today; i don't see how him being album-less affects how he is as a rapper at all.the Slaughterhouse album is dropping this summer, he is a part of that so it's basically one of "his" albums; will that make you change your opinon on him?then he has an EP & then supposivly his album; but i still don't see how putting out an album will determine how good of a rapper you are.
damn crooked gets alot of hate nah not everything hes dropped has been dope (freestyles, traxx etc...)but damn i mean hes dope he talks about everything and like cham click said even if he would have dropped album that sold whatever it sold, if it isnt goin to sell, what does it matter if he releases one or not?exactly it shouldnt, but that doesnt mean its good that he hasnt released a albumbut to hate on him or say he shouldnt be considered one of the best is insaneaite ja rule has released many albums some of em many "state" are classicbut ill take (as many would) all the dopest crooked traxx over everything ja rule has ever done, why cuz not many can touch crooked on the micNOT MANY CAN DO WHAT CROOKED CAN DO AND HAS DONE ON THE MIC AND THE ONES THAT CANT DO WHAT HE CAN DO, ALL HAVE RELEASED "CLASSIC ALBUMS"CROOKED I IS A BIG DEAL LOL