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Top 50 MLB players according to HACK WILSON magazine
OG Hack Wilson:
--- Quote from: S P I C E on June 28, 2009, 05:47:17 PM ---Hack knows a ton of sports and deserves propz for this list but Mays has to be top 3. The only player I ever hear people put above him is Ruth and a lot of people have Mays at #1.
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well look at it this way
how can you argue against
ty cobb: even during the Babe ruth days people were still saying Cobb was better
lou gehrig: the most clutch post season hitter ever
josh gibson: the black babe ruth
mickey mantle: Mays' primary competition as best CF of the the 50s and 60s
ted williams: his offense over Mays alone makes up for the fact he sucked at defense
i could easily argue for putting Tris Speaker in the top 5...but i won't. partly because he was a Klan member lol
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: HACK WILSON on June 28, 2009, 03:02:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 28, 2009, 07:58:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: HACK WILSON on June 28, 2009, 05:00:32 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 27, 2009, 09:53:38 PM ---if Ich joined the league when he was 20, dude would have most hits all time & possibly a season where he batted .400. :P
Ich is my second favorite player, i just love the way the guy plays.
Jeter is my favorite player, but Hack i don't know if i'd put him top 50 players ever; but i'd have to look at it.
Ich deserves to make the 50. 8)
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so......so your saying Ichiro would mysteriously get the other 2,300+ hits he needs from age 20-27 to pass pete rose???
and Jeter is the best hitting CLEAN shortstop since ernie banks...and unlike Banks Jeter could preform in the post season 8)
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exactly lol.
we don't know if we saw Ich in his prime, he could have gotten 270 one or two seasons, back when he was 24-25; plus he was faster back then, you're just naturally faster in your 20-25 years than you are in your 30-35 years; so their is more infield hits too.
HE IS A MONSTER! :o ;D
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chamil
MLB players best seasons generally come from age 25-32
Ichirio is not getting 300 hits a year in those 7 years....and btw singles aren't that important anyway lol
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singles are his whole game & when he hit the scene he was one of the fastest, imagine him beating out base hits when he was at his fastest. :o
--- Quote from: Halu Sination on June 28, 2009, 03:58:39 PM ---The problem with Ichiro is that the argument is way too dependent on the "what ifs." I'm sure if he came to the MLB at a younger age he still would have put up dominant numbers during the years, but the bottom line is that you can't just make assumptions when talking about accomplishments (which is what really matters when making greatest of all-time lists).
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can't front, real talk. :-\
S P I C E:
Well Hack there is no denying you bring up good points but here is my argument for making Mays 1 or 2. Maybe Willie Mays wasn't the absolute best in any category but he was one of the best in every single aspect of the game. I mean lets first look at hitting. The guy was one of the best Home Run hitters of all time while still being a lifetime .300 hitter and compiling over 3,000 hits in his career, that shows that when it comes to hitting for power and average he could combine the two as well as any player who ever played the game. It is then obvious that when it came to speed, defense and a throwing arm he was as great in those tools as anyone else. Mays was the type of player that could do anything he wanted to while he played. He rarely focused on doing nothing but hitting home runs but when he did he set a record at the time in hitting 36 Homers before the all star break before his manager told him to do otherwise. Also when Mays began his career and focused on stealing bases he lead the majors in steals for 4 straight seasons.
I just feel like when it comes to all around talent and mastering the 5 tools, Mays is the best all around player to ever play the game.
Chamillitary Click:
Mays is two on my list & Ted is three.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: S P I C E on June 28, 2009, 07:04:06 PM ---
I just feel like when it comes to all around talent and mastering the 5 tools, Mays is the best all around player to ever play the game.
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I've recently had this argument before but you are forgetting pitching. You can argue Mays over Ruth in everything but the easy ones like Home Runs, and batting average, but it's not even a debate in pitching. The best Centre Fielder off all time is not as important to a World Series or a game as a pitcher that can pitch a shut out.
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