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Pujols 30 HR's already
OG Hack Wilson:
--- Quote from: S P I C E on July 04, 2009, 12:06:56 PM ---^^Well I think Pujols is a real good defender at first and definitely agree with you about that. Lets also remember though that the power surge in Baseball came around 1997 and 1998, Bonds played the majority of his career before those years and also won 3 MVP's by the end of the 1993 season. It's just a shame that the majority of people dont realize what an amazing player Bonds was pre steroids and how he still could of easily ended up with 600 Home Runs and 600 Stolen bases w/out the juice but then again Bonds has only himself to blame. He was a moron to cheat because he was already the best player in the world, I understand cheating if you are stuck in the minor leagues but when you are the best like Bonds it makes no sense, he was a moron. I say the same thing about Clemens, he was already a legend before he juiced, why did he possibly feel like he needed to cheat? I guess the answer for both of them was to play longer at a higher level, damn shame.
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bonds on steroids was the best of all steroid users...and the best offensive force outside of Ruth/Gehrig ever (excluding the best years of Teddy Ballgame (1941) and Ty Cobb (1911)). i've also read some articles by stat-nerds stating that Honus Wagner's 1908 season was better than any season by Ruth/Bonds/Williams/anybody else .....I kinda don't buy into that though. I think Ruth's 1921 was clearly head and shoulders above Wagner or anyone else's best season. but, just like assholes, we all got our own opinions and they stank LOLz
but bonds pre-steroids was not better offensively than GRiffey Jr. or frank thomas....and maybe jeff bagwell at his best.
but bonds was the best NL outfielder until Sosa came along in 1998....and bonds got jealous and started shootin up them roids to be able to compete again
OG Hack Wilson:
i correct myself...bonds without steroids was .290 batting average it looks like (according to the game of shadows)
bonds pre roids: .290/.411/.556, 411 homers, 1216 RBI, 445 SB's, 164 OPS+ in 6,621 at-bats.
bonds on roids: .316/.505/.712, 351 homres, 780 RBI, 69 SB's, 214 OPS+ in 3,226 at-bats
lol and ppl try to tell us steroids have little effect - when used properly they have great effect
OG Hack Wilson:
so bonds was on roids for 8 years
thats STILL not the best 8 year span in MLB history :D
babe ruth 1920-1927: .361/.498/.750, 367 homers, 1,039 RBI's, 79 stolen bases, 220 OPS+ :D
S P I C E:
^^Where did you get 8 years from Hack? Game of Shadows and the governments case clearly say Bonds was using from 1999-2004. Well that is 5 to 6 years lol but not 8. The only player comparable to Bonds in the 90's was Griffey and thats it. A lot of people will tell you Jr. was better while a lot of people will tell you Barry was better. Jr. was far more popular so that worked to his advantage.
Javier:
The people that use steroids have to workout extra hard than your typical athlete in order for the drug to work to its full potential.
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