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S P I C E:
Read Game of Shadows and you will see that this is not what I think, it is fact.

J.D. Wykid, Esq.:

--- Quote from: S  P  I  C  E on July 07, 2009, 10:37:27 PM ---Read Game of Shadows and you will see that this is not what I think, it is fact.

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i meant what it is you THOUGHT i implied with that question.

Javier:

--- Quote from: HACK WILSON on July 07, 2009, 07:36:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Javii on July 07, 2009, 06:56:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: HACK WILSON on July 07, 2009, 06:21:42 PM ---bonds wasn't close to being a .300 hitter before steroids

this is all fact


bonds had the best chemists helping him BTW...not like he had jim the traffic construction flagger helping him

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http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bondsba01.shtml?redir

What do you mean, he wasn't close? lol

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do you not know how math works?


his career avergage THROUGH 1998 was .290

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bondsba01.shtml?redir#1986-1998-sum:batting_standard


now, .297 or .298, that's close

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let's have it your say, he's ONLY a .290 hitter, with a ridiculously high walk rate that is way above average and only elite players were able to have. 

OG Hack Wilson:

--- Quote from: S  P  I  C  E on July 07, 2009, 09:43:33 PM ---Hack you are way off here.  That average is from his first 4 years as major leaguer in Pittsburg, from 1990-1998 he was a .300 hitter that also won 3 mvp's, all of this is pre steroids.  Everyone knows that before steroids Bonds was still one of the best ever.  Now would he have hit 750 hr? Nah but he still would of went down as one of the best 5 or 10 players of all time.

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his CAREER AVERAGE was .290


that is far from .300



.296 or .297...now thats close


not to take away from his 3 MVP's in the early 90's or his great basestealing abilities ofcourse

Javier:
80 hits is such a small number of hits in over 9000 plate appearances to be using for any sort of analysis and complaint about steroids.  What steroids did allow Bonds to do is increase his walk rate and power rate, as he aged.  The difference in BA shouldn't be mentioned.  This is just more proof that BA doesn't tell enough information on a better and and that stat alone should never be used to judge a player. 

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