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Pedro Martinez Signs with the Phillies

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OG Hack Wilson:

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--- Quote from: HACK WILSON on July 18, 2009, 06:28:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: Teflon Tom on July 15, 2009, 08:49:13 PM ---

The best pitcher you have seen in your life and you want him on roids, yea you're a baseball fan  ::)



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when was Greg Maddux on steroids??  ???

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Pedro in 99 & 2000 are two best seasons by a pitcher ever.  And his stretch from 97-2003 is one of the greatest stretches by a starting pitcher ever.  I put Maddux right behing Pedro though.  People forget how godly Maddux was in the 90's.

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walter johnson 1912 and 1913 are better :D

herpes:

--- Quote from: HACK WILSON on July 18, 2009, 08:43:40 AM ---
--- Quote from: Teflon Tom on July 18, 2009, 08:37:34 AM ---
--- Quote from: HACK WILSON on July 18, 2009, 06:28:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: Teflon Tom on July 15, 2009, 08:49:13 PM ---

The best pitcher you have seen in your life and you want him on roids, yea you're a baseball fan  ::)



--- End quote ---

when was Greg Maddux on steroids??  ???

--- End quote ---

Pedro in 99 & 2000 are two best seasons by a pitcher ever.  And his stretch from 97-2003 is one of the greatest stretches by a starting pitcher ever.  I put Maddux right behing Pedro though.  People forget how godly Maddux was in the 90's.

--- End quote ---


walter johnson 1912 and 1913 are better :D

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I've watched Pedro and Maddux, never had a chance to watch Walter.  Actually one of those saberheads did a study on the best pitching seasons ever and took into consideration the times, park factor, all that good shit and Pedro's 99 and 2000 were the top two seasons by a pitcher ever followed by Maddux in 94 or 95.  If I can find the article I'll post it. 

herpes:

--- Quote from: HACK WILSON on July 18, 2009, 08:40:46 AM ---lets take the best 10 years of the two:


maddux (1991-2000):  2.50 ERA, 180-82 record, 2,407 innings, 1,810 K, 1.031 whip, 167 ERA+

pedro: (1995-2004): 2.67 ERA, 161-65 record, 2,036.1 innings, 2,384 K, 1.012 whip, 173 ERA+




ill take the cat who throws 360+ innings more  (over ten years, thats 36 more IP a year...damn)

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As good as Pedro was, he was never given the strike zone Maddux was given.  Maddux consistently was given calls 6 inches off either side of the plate.  And Pedro's best seasons were during the height of the steroid era, in the AL, in one of the better hitters parks in baseball.

OG Hack Wilson:

--- Quote from: Teflon Tom on July 18, 2009, 09:18:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: HACK WILSON on July 18, 2009, 08:43:40 AM ---
--- Quote from: Teflon Tom on July 18, 2009, 08:37:34 AM ---
--- Quote from: HACK WILSON on July 18, 2009, 06:28:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: Teflon Tom on July 15, 2009, 08:49:13 PM ---

The best pitcher you have seen in your life and you want him on roids, yea you're a baseball fan  ::)



--- End quote ---

when was Greg Maddux on steroids??  ???

--- End quote ---

Pedro in 99 & 2000 are two best seasons by a pitcher ever.  And his stretch from 97-2003 is one of the greatest stretches by a starting pitcher ever.  I put Maddux right behing Pedro though.  People forget how godly Maddux was in the 90's.

--- End quote ---


walter johnson 1912 and 1913 are better :D

--- End quote ---

I've watched Pedro and Maddux, never had a chance to watch Walter.  Actually one of those saberheads did a study on the best pitching seasons ever and took into consideration the times, park factor, all that good shit and Pedro's 99 and 2000 were the top two seasons by a pitcher ever followed by Maddux in 94 or 95.  If I can find the article I'll post it. 

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i honestly flip flop on pedro and maddux....at this moment i prefer maddux though, for his workhorse ability...maddux's strike shortened seasons in 94 and 95 were amazing

herpes:

--- Quote from: HACK WILSON on July 18, 2009, 12:51:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: Teflon Tom on July 18, 2009, 09:18:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: HACK WILSON on July 18, 2009, 08:43:40 AM ---
--- Quote from: Teflon Tom on July 18, 2009, 08:37:34 AM ---
--- Quote from: HACK WILSON on July 18, 2009, 06:28:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: Teflon Tom on July 15, 2009, 08:49:13 PM ---

The best pitcher you have seen in your life and you want him on roids, yea you're a baseball fan  ::)



--- End quote ---

when was Greg Maddux on steroids??  ???

--- End quote ---

Pedro in 99 & 2000 are two best seasons by a pitcher ever.  And his stretch from 97-2003 is one of the greatest stretches by a starting pitcher ever.  I put Maddux right behing Pedro though.  People forget how godly Maddux was in the 90's.

--- End quote ---


walter johnson 1912 and 1913 are better :D

--- End quote ---

I've watched Pedro and Maddux, never had a chance to watch Walter.  Actually one of those saberheads did a study on the best pitching seasons ever and took into consideration the times, park factor, all that good shit and Pedro's 99 and 2000 were the top two seasons by a pitcher ever followed by Maddux in 94 or 95.  If I can find the article I'll post it. 

--- End quote ---



i honestly flip flop on pedro and maddux....at this moment i prefer maddux though, for his workhorse ability...maddux's strike shortened seasons in 94 and 95 were amazing


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Maddux does not get the credit he deserves for those two seasons.  The only thing I can think is he never had stuff that makes you go  :o like Pedro or Randy Johnson.  Maddux was like wait hold up how did this guy just pitch a complete game 3 hitter on 85 pitches.

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