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The Mets are heading for an iceberg of 1912 proportions
herpes:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on August 11, 2009, 07:31:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Knuckles on August 11, 2009, 06:31:47 AM ---Next year the Mets are going to have gaping holes at left field, first base, catcher, and at least two starting pitchers, and even that is only if you assume that Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran will both come back fully healthy (questionable), and if you consider Jeff Francoeur to be "not a hole" in right field (extremely questionable).
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that's the only section i'm reading. ;)
meanwhile most of this article talks about how Omar didn't find back up players in the most unfortunate event that starters went down.
but it says nowhere that coming into the season, with a full team, they weren't running favorites in the NL; meanwhile you signed them off in pre-season.
face it, you were embaressed about what's gone down in Septemeber the last two years & gave your usual depressed schpeel about being a Mets fan & wrote them off; knowing going into the off season, then signing the one thing that held you back last year, the bullpen (K-Rod & Putz) is what was suppose to lock up the NL East.
in the case they fell apart (which they did) you had the "i told you so" in your pocket.
the fact that last year it was your bullpen & you had the same team with the addition of arguably the best closer in Baseball, but somehow that wasn't going to change anything; like you KNEW everybody in your starting lineup & Putz was going to get injured is BEYOND impressive.
come on, i fed right into your usual hand; tell me off...again. ;)
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Why don't you believe me ? And how come you continue to repeat what ESPN talking points say when no respected sports fan watches ESPN unless it's for an actual game ? You want to know how I knew the Mets weren't a good team. Going back to June of 2007 something happened to the team where the started to play with no fire whatsoever. And small ball and fundamentals went out the window. From an outsider such as yourself or a talking point on a major network it wasn't noticeable. A fan that watches the Mets day in and day out it was a huge change and something was drastically wrong. From that point on the Mets played like a .500 team. Since June 1st of 2007 to June 1st of 2009 the Mets played two months where they played great ball. That was July and August of 2008. If you subtract those two months from June of 07 to June of 09 the Mets record was 134-131 I believe. I did the numbers at work and it was 2 or 3 games above .500. I won't hold the injuries against them either so thats why I haven't included the past couple of months. But with a healthy team outside of a 2 month stretch over a two year period the Mets were a .500 team. Thats how I knew the Mets weren't nearly as good as advertised. Now if you want to get down to the players and free agent moves I will do that now.
I'll start with the bullpen. I said before the season the Mets were one JJ Putz injury away from having essentially the same bullpen as last season. You can bring up Krod and how good he is. The thing is, the Mets had Billy Wagner until mid August of last season, he even made the all star team. It wasn't as if he missed the entire season. So they bring in Krod, who by the way is a very good closer but vastly overrated. Krod = Wags so there isn't much of change there. Putz went down with an injury like I said he would. Outside of Pedro Feliciano, Bobby Parnell, and Brian Stokes who they never use, the pen has been trash. Now lets get on with the lineup, the past two Septembers the line up folded under pressure. That has nothing to do with the bullpen. The bottom half of the lineup was as weak as a mid 80's middle infielder. And the Mets had no bench to speak of any injuries were to occur. I didn't have to predict specific injuries but all I had to do was say if a couple of guys get injured the line up is in deep trouble. I also said the Mets had no clear cut leader and the closest thing the Mets had to a leader was Carlos Delgado who proved to be the ultimate I'm just hear to collect to a paycheck player. Which because of his standing rubbed off on the rest of the team. When he went on the DL you saw the Mets play with a grit they haven't played with since 2006.
I said the Mets problems run much deeper than the pen. On the real Cham how come you take the word over some guy at ESPN who probably watches 30 seconds of a Met game compared to someone that watches most games. And I'm not the only Met fan that has been saying this. A lot of Met fan knew this team wasn't as good as advertised going into the season. It has nothing to do with so we can feel surprised if the Mets do win. Thats why I call you a fucking moron, because as someone that loves the game of Baseball and loves the intricacies of the game and studies the game. I find it HIGHLY insulting that someone would come and say I am only saying this so I can act surprised.
herpes:
BTW if Putz didn't go down, him and Krod only make up two guys in a bullpen. You can't troop them out there day in and day out. And what about the 6th and 7th innings if the starters can't go that deep. And if you look back the Starting rotation was something I TRIED to be optimistic about. I thought the rotation had the potential to be good. But outside of Santana it also had the potential to be just as bad as it could be good. And that is what happened. A bullpen is only as good as it's starting rotation if the rotation sucks and the same guys have to come in relief day in and day out. They will eventually get burned out.
Chamillitary Click:
^fair enough.
i still would like to say the statistics were 90% of people agreed that the Mets were favorites.
i believed they were a good team apart from their pen, but apparently their is more to it that i don't know.
good points, i stand corrected...again.
herpes:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on August 11, 2009, 08:23:37 PM ---^fair enough.
i still would like to say the statistics were 90% of people agreed that the Mets were favorites.
i believed they were a good team apart from their pen, but apparently their is more to it that i don't know.
good points, i stand corrected...again.
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You need to read the coliseum at SOHH.com. The sports boards is one of the best on the entire net. Especially the baseball heads. It worth checking out.
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: Teflon Tom on August 11, 2009, 08:27:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on August 11, 2009, 08:23:37 PM ---^fair enough.
i still would like to say the statistics were 90% of people agreed that the Mets were favorites.
i believed they were a good team apart from their pen, but apparently their is more to it that i don't know.
good points, i stand corrected...again.
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You need to read the coliseum at SOHH.com. The sports boards is one of the best on the entire net. Especially the baseball heads. It worth checking out.
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i'll take a look into it, sounds good for a news feed.
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