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Quote from: LooN3y on August 16, 2009, 04:19:35 PMscientist couldnt completely prove the bible wrong, and they cant completely prove the big bang theory right.true enough. But religion deals largely with a subject that people are too afraid of to admit that they dont know the answer. Anything else you would look at logically and not believe it until it is proven to you. To use the example I used earlier, a scientist couldnt PROVE to you that there are not invisible rats running around your room right now. Is that a reason to believe they are there?
scientist couldnt completely prove the bible wrong, and they cant completely prove the big bang theory right.
Does god have to be a concience/entity?Can't god be the universe?The force that keeps everything working?That would make allot more sense
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 21, 2009, 04:21:17 PMQuote from: LooN3y on August 16, 2009, 04:19:35 PMscientist couldnt completely prove the bible wrong, and they cant completely prove the big bang theory right.true enough. But religion deals largely with a subject that people are too afraid of to admit that they dont know the answer. Anything else you would look at logically and not believe it until it is proven to you. To use the example I used earlier, a scientist couldnt PROVE to you that there are not invisible rats running around your room right now. Is that a reason to believe they are there?daygo... hommie... you're confusing me... can you explain that better
Quote from: LIGHTS on August 22, 2009, 11:34:45 AMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 21, 2009, 04:21:17 PMQuote from: LooN3y on August 16, 2009, 04:19:35 PMscientist couldnt completely prove the bible wrong, and they cant completely prove the big bang theory right.true enough. But religion deals largely with a subject that people are too afraid of to admit that they dont know the answer. Anything else you would look at logically and not believe it until it is proven to you. To use the example I used earlier, a scientist couldnt PROVE to you that there are not invisible rats running around your room right now. Is that a reason to believe they are there?daygo... hommie... you're confusing me... can you explain that betterWhat Im saying is that there are alot of people who are too afraid to simply say they dont know what happens after death. Its scary to a lot of people to not know, or to think that when we die...its over completely. That same fear can make a typically logical person think illogically. They rationalize an argument that would not apply to any other similar set of circumstances. They say that its ok to believe in God and Heaven and Hell, etc. because although you can not prove its true...you also cant prove its not true. The same could be said for my example of the invisible rats. I could tell you they are there and they protect you and have a master plan for what will happen in all of our lives....and you cant prove to me that they arent. The fact that you cant prove to me that they ARENT there isnt a good enough reason to believe that they are....its illogical. Same with the idea of an invisible man in the sky that watches over us. IMO.
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 22, 2009, 11:54:17 AMQuote from: LIGHTS on August 22, 2009, 11:34:45 AMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 21, 2009, 04:21:17 PMQuote from: LooN3y on August 16, 2009, 04:19:35 PMscientist couldnt completely prove the bible wrong, and they cant completely prove the big bang theory right.true enough. But religion deals largely with a subject that people are too afraid of to admit that they dont know the answer. Anything else you would look at logically and not believe it until it is proven to you. To use the example I used earlier, a scientist couldnt PROVE to you that there are not invisible rats running around your room right now. Is that a reason to believe they are there?daygo... hommie... you're confusing me... can you explain that betterWhat Im saying is that there are alot of people who are too afraid to simply say they dont know what happens after death. Its scary to a lot of people to not know, or to think that when we die...its over completely. That same fear can make a typically logical person think illogically. They rationalize an argument that would not apply to any other similar set of circumstances. They say that its ok to believe in God and Heaven and Hell, etc. because although you can not prove its true...you also cant prove its not true. The same could be said for my example of the invisible rats. I could tell you they are there and they protect you and have a master plan for what will happen in all of our lives....and you cant prove to me that they arent. The fact that you cant prove to me that they ARENT there isnt a good enough reason to believe that they are....its illogical. Same with the idea of an invisible man in the sky that watches over us. IMO.look lots of people such as yourself... you make logical sense with stuff like that...however i still choose to believe that God is a higher power... and it just makes my life easier...all my family since 301 have been CHRISTIANS
Conflicts between religions are caused by people trying to convert others...That's why I'm not as tolerant towards Christians anymore......It's queen's fault
Quote from: ikke on August 22, 2009, 03:07:36 PMConflicts between religions are caused by people trying to convert others...That's why I'm not as tolerant towards Christians anymore......It's queen's fault u know u gotta be extra careful not to get into any arguments with that sig u got...
Quote from: QuietTruth on August 21, 2009, 07:37:01 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 21, 2009, 07:24:14 PMQuote from: QuietTruth on August 21, 2009, 07:05:34 PMQuote from: LooN3y on August 21, 2009, 05:32:53 PMyea but, i mean lets be reasonable, we all know someone or something created us, whether it be a god, or matter. i believe religions try to define what we dont know.Exactly.Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 21, 2009, 05:27:51 PMQuote from: J Bananas on August 21, 2009, 05:14:15 PMI like these ignorant christians in here, clamoring to each other for reassurance and support in the face of the ugly truth thats staring them down.its interesting that so many believe in a particular religion due to their fear of death, yet (because of their beliefs) they should welcome death more then any of us.But we do. Like I said be before, death is glorying. Just becuz people get sad and upset that they lose someone shouldn't be held against them. It's crazy how you could have someone in your life and than all the sudden be taken away, no longer in the flesh with you. But time goes on, and you know that they are in a better place. Everybody is scared of death, nobody knows what goes on after that....but we ALL are gonna die, and for someone to think that nuthin' happens after the fact, than I feel sorry for you and them negative realizations ya'll believe. I mean how could ya'll think we was just put on some Earth to just die and that's it..? We just formed outta nowhere, outta some living organism to unexpectedly die at any given moment? That just doesn't make sense to me..Naw, my point wasnt that religious folks should not mourn the loss of a loved one. What Im saying is that one of the motivating factors in believing in a particular religion is the fear of what happens after death. But if you believe in Christianity for example, death should be welcomed as it brings you to Heaven (hopefully).As far as nothing happening after death, I dont see that as negative. I just see it as realistic. I think that sayin "ya'll think we was just put on some Earth to just die and that's it" is far more negative. Maybe an Athiest believes we are here to live.I dunno, I agree we came from somewhere. I just think its normal egotistical man creating this Jesus character in the likeness of another man and God (though he isnt in physical form) has a lot of human character traits. lol. My thing is, what makes it appear as if religion has been created just to appease peoples fears is that our creator (God) is always good. He's loving, and caring, etc. How do you know our creator isnt completely evil and hateful?I hear you.But there are Atheists on this board who say that shit, 'think we was just put on some Earth to just die and that's it', and comparing that ideation to one a Christian believes, is just negative. You, I don't think belongs in that category, but them hardcore Atheists, unfortunately yeah. I mean I ain't tryin' to speak for you, don't take it like that, but I'm just sayin' you don't come off like that..And yeah but..Even Bananas himself, said Atheism is a lil bitter. And for real though, shit IS.I gotcha. I think there are also a fair amount of Athiest who make comments like that (we're just here to die) just to get under other peoples skin...especially on here.
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 21, 2009, 07:24:14 PMQuote from: QuietTruth on August 21, 2009, 07:05:34 PMQuote from: LooN3y on August 21, 2009, 05:32:53 PMyea but, i mean lets be reasonable, we all know someone or something created us, whether it be a god, or matter. i believe religions try to define what we dont know.Exactly.Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 21, 2009, 05:27:51 PMQuote from: J Bananas on August 21, 2009, 05:14:15 PMI like these ignorant christians in here, clamoring to each other for reassurance and support in the face of the ugly truth thats staring them down.its interesting that so many believe in a particular religion due to their fear of death, yet (because of their beliefs) they should welcome death more then any of us.But we do. Like I said be before, death is glorying. Just becuz people get sad and upset that they lose someone shouldn't be held against them. It's crazy how you could have someone in your life and than all the sudden be taken away, no longer in the flesh with you. But time goes on, and you know that they are in a better place. Everybody is scared of death, nobody knows what goes on after that....but we ALL are gonna die, and for someone to think that nuthin' happens after the fact, than I feel sorry for you and them negative realizations ya'll believe. I mean how could ya'll think we was just put on some Earth to just die and that's it..? We just formed outta nowhere, outta some living organism to unexpectedly die at any given moment? That just doesn't make sense to me..Naw, my point wasnt that religious folks should not mourn the loss of a loved one. What Im saying is that one of the motivating factors in believing in a particular religion is the fear of what happens after death. But if you believe in Christianity for example, death should be welcomed as it brings you to Heaven (hopefully).As far as nothing happening after death, I dont see that as negative. I just see it as realistic. I think that sayin "ya'll think we was just put on some Earth to just die and that's it" is far more negative. Maybe an Athiest believes we are here to live.I dunno, I agree we came from somewhere. I just think its normal egotistical man creating this Jesus character in the likeness of another man and God (though he isnt in physical form) has a lot of human character traits. lol. My thing is, what makes it appear as if religion has been created just to appease peoples fears is that our creator (God) is always good. He's loving, and caring, etc. How do you know our creator isnt completely evil and hateful?I hear you.But there are Atheists on this board who say that shit, 'think we was just put on some Earth to just die and that's it', and comparing that ideation to one a Christian believes, is just negative. You, I don't think belongs in that category, but them hardcore Atheists, unfortunately yeah. I mean I ain't tryin' to speak for you, don't take it like that, but I'm just sayin' you don't come off like that..And yeah but..Even Bananas himself, said Atheism is a lil bitter. And for real though, shit IS.
Quote from: QuietTruth on August 21, 2009, 07:05:34 PMQuote from: LooN3y on August 21, 2009, 05:32:53 PMyea but, i mean lets be reasonable, we all know someone or something created us, whether it be a god, or matter. i believe religions try to define what we dont know.Exactly.Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 21, 2009, 05:27:51 PMQuote from: J Bananas on August 21, 2009, 05:14:15 PMI like these ignorant christians in here, clamoring to each other for reassurance and support in the face of the ugly truth thats staring them down.its interesting that so many believe in a particular religion due to their fear of death, yet (because of their beliefs) they should welcome death more then any of us.But we do. Like I said be before, death is glorying. Just becuz people get sad and upset that they lose someone shouldn't be held against them. It's crazy how you could have someone in your life and than all the sudden be taken away, no longer in the flesh with you. But time goes on, and you know that they are in a better place. Everybody is scared of death, nobody knows what goes on after that....but we ALL are gonna die, and for someone to think that nuthin' happens after the fact, than I feel sorry for you and them negative realizations ya'll believe. I mean how could ya'll think we was just put on some Earth to just die and that's it..? We just formed outta nowhere, outta some living organism to unexpectedly die at any given moment? That just doesn't make sense to me..Naw, my point wasnt that religious folks should not mourn the loss of a loved one. What Im saying is that one of the motivating factors in believing in a particular religion is the fear of what happens after death. But if you believe in Christianity for example, death should be welcomed as it brings you to Heaven (hopefully).As far as nothing happening after death, I dont see that as negative. I just see it as realistic. I think that sayin "ya'll think we was just put on some Earth to just die and that's it" is far more negative. Maybe an Athiest believes we are here to live.I dunno, I agree we came from somewhere. I just think its normal egotistical man creating this Jesus character in the likeness of another man and God (though he isnt in physical form) has a lot of human character traits. lol. My thing is, what makes it appear as if religion has been created just to appease peoples fears is that our creator (God) is always good. He's loving, and caring, etc. How do you know our creator isnt completely evil and hateful?
Quote from: LooN3y on August 21, 2009, 05:32:53 PMyea but, i mean lets be reasonable, we all know someone or something created us, whether it be a god, or matter. i believe religions try to define what we dont know.Exactly.Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 21, 2009, 05:27:51 PMQuote from: J Bananas on August 21, 2009, 05:14:15 PMI like these ignorant christians in here, clamoring to each other for reassurance and support in the face of the ugly truth thats staring them down.its interesting that so many believe in a particular religion due to their fear of death, yet (because of their beliefs) they should welcome death more then any of us.But we do. Like I said be before, death is glorying. Just becuz people get sad and upset that they lose someone shouldn't be held against them. It's crazy how you could have someone in your life and than all the sudden be taken away, no longer in the flesh with you. But time goes on, and you know that they are in a better place. Everybody is scared of death, nobody knows what goes on after that....but we ALL are gonna die, and for someone to think that nuthin' happens after the fact, than I feel sorry for you and them negative realizations ya'll believe. I mean how could ya'll think we was just put on some Earth to just die and that's it..? We just formed outta nowhere, outta some living organism to unexpectedly die at any given moment? That just doesn't make sense to me..
yea but, i mean lets be reasonable, we all know someone or something created us, whether it be a god, or matter. i believe religions try to define what we dont know.
Quote from: J Bananas on August 21, 2009, 05:14:15 PMI like these ignorant christians in here, clamoring to each other for reassurance and support in the face of the ugly truth thats staring them down.its interesting that so many believe in a particular religion due to their fear of death, yet (because of their beliefs) they should welcome death more then any of us.
I like these ignorant christians in here, clamoring to each other for reassurance and support in the face of the ugly truth thats staring them down.
Quote from: LIGHTS on August 22, 2009, 12:25:16 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 22, 2009, 11:54:17 AMQuote from: LIGHTS on August 22, 2009, 11:34:45 AMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 21, 2009, 04:21:17 PMQuote from: LooN3y on August 16, 2009, 04:19:35 PMscientist couldnt completely prove the bible wrong, and they cant completely prove the big bang theory right.true enough. But religion deals largely with a subject that people are too afraid of to admit that they dont know the answer. Anything else you would look at logically and not believe it until it is proven to you. To use the example I used earlier, a scientist couldnt PROVE to you that there are not invisible rats running around your room right now. Is that a reason to believe they are there?daygo... hommie... you're confusing me... can you explain that betterWhat Im saying is that there are alot of people who are too afraid to simply say they dont know what happens after death. Its scary to a lot of people to not know, or to think that when we die...its over completely. That same fear can make a typically logical person think illogically. They rationalize an argument that would not apply to any other similar set of circumstances. They say that its ok to believe in God and Heaven and Hell, etc. because although you can not prove its true...you also cant prove its not true. The same could be said for my example of the invisible rats. I could tell you they are there and they protect you and have a master plan for what will happen in all of our lives....and you cant prove to me that they arent. The fact that you cant prove to me that they ARENT there isnt a good enough reason to believe that they are....its illogical. Same with the idea of an invisible man in the sky that watches over us. IMO.look lots of people such as yourself... you make logical sense with stuff like that...however i still choose to believe that God is a higher power... and it just makes my life easier...all my family since 301 have been CHRISTIANSThats cool. Im not tryin to convince you to NOT believe in God or your religion. The way I look at things is, whatever makes you better as a person...do it. If you believed in a pet rock...but for some reason you were a better person for it, do that shit. I think for some people, religion or their belief in God helps them...for some, it hurts them. Likewise, my belief that organized religion is full of shit doesnt hurt me. There could be a "God" or there could not be...none of us know.
See that's all good.However..atheists be tryin' to convince or push out their beliefs in various forms too.When they start tryin' to take OUR rights AWAY, to claim and protect their 'rights', by doing stupid shit, is when I have a lil problem. Like for example. Atheists wanted to remove the manger off The Green at Christmas time becuz they said it violated their rights. Can someone please explain that? Here's a real good one. A CA suburb removed The Bill Of Rights outta the classroom becuz it was 'spiritually misguiding'. That is HISTORY. What in the fuck. Mind baffling. What is next? Christmas carols banned from department stores. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, what's it to you? How is these simplistic actions hurting you? You know what I'm sayin'? If they preachin' and pushin' religion to try to convert you, than thats another thang....like a man with a Bible standing in front of K-Mart on Christmas Eve...or somethang along those lines...ya know shit like that....but honestly I don't understand how any of those other thangs above are violating rights. It's as if they gotta be defiant and pick apart the 'unintelligent who believe in some mystery in the sky'....that's when I catch feelings.
Quote from: QuietTruth on August 22, 2009, 04:41:23 PMSee that's all good.However..atheists be tryin' to convince or push out their beliefs in various forms too.When they start tryin' to take OUR rights AWAY, to claim and protect their 'rights', by doing stupid shit, is when I have a lil problem. Like for example. Atheists wanted to remove the manger off The Green at Christmas time becuz they said it violated their rights. Can someone please explain that? Here's a real good one. A CA suburb removed The Bill Of Rights outta the classroom becuz it was 'spiritually misguiding'. That is HISTORY. What in the fuck. Mind baffling. What is next? Christmas carols banned from department stores. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, what's it to you? How is these simplistic actions hurting you? You know what I'm sayin'? If they preachin' and pushin' religion to try to convert you, than thats another thang....like a man with a Bible standing in front of K-Mart on Christmas Eve...or somethang along those lines...ya know shit like that....but honestly I don't understand how any of those other thangs above are violating rights. It's as if they gotta be defiant and pick apart the 'unintelligent who believe in some mystery in the sky'....that's when I catch feelings. Seriously ??Probally those kind of people who complain about everything they can because it makes them feel better then the others...
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 22, 2009, 03:00:35 PMQuote from: LIGHTS on August 22, 2009, 12:25:16 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 22, 2009, 11:54:17 AMQuote from: LIGHTS on August 22, 2009, 11:34:45 AMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 21, 2009, 04:21:17 PMQuote from: LooN3y on August 16, 2009, 04:19:35 PMscientist couldnt completely prove the bible wrong, and they cant completely prove the big bang theory right.true enough. But religion deals largely with a subject that people are too afraid of to admit that they dont know the answer. Anything else you would look at logically and not believe it until it is proven to you. To use the example I used earlier, a scientist couldnt PROVE to you that there are not invisible rats running around your room right now. Is that a reason to believe they are there?daygo... hommie... you're confusing me... can you explain that betterWhat Im saying is that there are alot of people who are too afraid to simply say they dont know what happens after death. Its scary to a lot of people to not know, or to think that when we die...its over completely. That same fear can make a typically logical person think illogically. They rationalize an argument that would not apply to any other similar set of circumstances. They say that its ok to believe in God and Heaven and Hell, etc. because although you can not prove its true...you also cant prove its not true. The same could be said for my example of the invisible rats. I could tell you they are there and they protect you and have a master plan for what will happen in all of our lives....and you cant prove to me that they arent. The fact that you cant prove to me that they ARENT there isnt a good enough reason to believe that they are....its illogical. Same with the idea of an invisible man in the sky that watches over us. IMO.look lots of people such as yourself... you make logical sense with stuff like that...however i still choose to believe that God is a higher power... and it just makes my life easier...all my family since 301 have been CHRISTIANSThats cool. Im not tryin to convince you to NOT believe in God or your religion. The way I look at things is, whatever makes you better as a person...do it. If you believed in a pet rock...but for some reason you were a better person for it, do that shit. I think for some people, religion or their belief in God helps them...for some, it hurts them. Likewise, my belief that organized religion is full of shit doesnt hurt me. There could be a "God" or there could not be...none of us know.See that's all good.However..atheists be tryin' to convince or push out their beliefs in various forms too.When they start tryin' to take OUR rights AWAY, to claim and protect their 'rights', by doing stupid shit, is when I have a lil problem. Like for example. Atheists wanted to remove the manger off The Green at Christmas time becuz they said it violated their rights. Can someone please explain that? Here's a real good one. A CA suburb removed The Bill Of Rights outta the classroom becuz it was 'spiritually misguiding'. That is HISTORY. What in the fuck. Mind baffling. What is next? Christmas carols banned from department stores. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, what's it to you? How is these simplistic actions hurting you? You know what I'm sayin'? If they preachin' and pushin' religion to try to convert you, than thats another thang....like a man with a Bible standing in front of K-Mart on Christmas Eve...or somethang along those lines...ya know shit like that....but honestly I don't understand how any of those other thangs above are violating rights. It's as if they gotta be defiant and pick apart the 'unintelligent who believe in some mystery in the sky'....that's when I catch feelings.