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IslamInevitable:
yo illuminati... i got no beef you man... u win...

im not into sophistry man... and thats wat this is

LAXCENTRAL:

--- Quote from: IslamInevitable on August 30, 2009, 01:22:56 PM ---yo illuminati... i got no beef you man... u win...

im not into sophistry man... and thats wat this is

--- End quote ---

The Overfiend:
You would call it sophistry because it flys over your head. How can I feel I've won if you've just retained your default position of ignorance?


You haven't actually directly answered any of my points, you just keep repeating the same line: "objectivity impedes on subjectivity". Now look and learn:

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/utilitarianism.html
utilitarianism

Definition:
Ethics concept in which the happiness of the greatest number of people in the society is considered the greatest good

As I said you haven't done the knowledge on utilitarianism or else you would know the simple definition of it and know better to cling to your ignorance like  "utilitarianism is actually based on moral worth of people and activities.. not on majorities or minorities"

Hahaha, so who's really guilty of sophistry here?

Really, you've said alot of dumb shit like: "there is no objectivity in socio-political events", when obviously there is and it isn't confined to the West lest of all.

So I'll dumb it down and try again:

The law in most societies is utilitarian. The law tends to be utilitarian because it upholds the will of the majority over the minority. It upholds the objective standard of good of the majority over the subjective views of the minority. The subjective views of rapists, Islamic terrorists and other criminals are subjugated for the benefit of the majority. This is not just the West, but most societies (except in such societies where the law upholds the minority over the majority). Maybe I should have used the word  ‘most' to begin with, because you seem to think this is only the
West or that I am some sort of spokesman for the West, I dunno. But its any society including Islamic society.  Anyway thats what I'm saying.

Now I also alluded to other objective standards such
as ‘universal human rights' and implied that they may be justified to impede on subjective minorities, such as the cultural right of the Imam to snip the clitoris of the African girl, as such an example.

So we don't disagree on the nature of objectivity or subjectivity. I think where we diverge is that I believe the subjective may be justifiably subjugated by the objective view in certain scenarios.

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