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Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
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--- Quote from: A. Geesta'z on August 29, 2009, 07:57:11 PM ---
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--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 29, 2009, 07:48:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: A. Geesta'z on August 29, 2009, 07:34:37 PM ---if she signed a contract that states "This church can fire you at any time, without reason. do you agree? sign below"
she cant sue
i know alot of employers make you sign something like that before you work there
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false. Ive been involved in a settlement where we signed a sheet just like that lol. Employers have you sign those forms as a scare tactic because the average worker will not challenge it and think that they have signed over their legal rights. Our lawyer laughed at it. It holds very little weight in a settlement hearing. All you have to do is say you felt pressured to sign the sheet in order to keep your job...and thats it. Almost no employer will fight it because you can say the same thing in court and they cant prove you wrong. A small business owner might fight it because they simply dont have the money to settle out of a court. Larger companies will almost always just give in to avoid actually going to court.
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its a church
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doesn't matter.
daygo is on point.
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whats the difference between a church and a small business?
unless the church is like on one of those tv specials on the christian channel
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they are both acting as business entities which gives them the same liabilities.
daygo did you take business law?
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No, didnt take business law but I developed a pretty good understanding of given the circumstances. And yes, a church is SIMILAR to a small business...but one that probably generates more money. So they could potentially fight it, and more then likely lose. The reason small business owners fight these cases is because they simply cant afford to settle and still keep their business. Their ONLY shot is to fight the case in court and pray they win (which is ironic because praying you win in court wont work, even for the church lol). The thing is, even though the church is similar to a small business...they would more then likely handle this situation as a large corporation. Large corporations dont like the negative publicity that comes along with lawsuits, particularly those that involve unfair treatment of employees. Im sure it makes sense that a church would not want to have a lawsuit against them where a former employee is suing them for terminating her after they discovered she was marrying a non christian. That wouldnt give them a very good image in the eyes of the public.
Al Bundy:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 30, 2009, 01:22:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: G.O.D. Pt. III on August 29, 2009, 07:58:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: A. Geesta'z on August 29, 2009, 07:57:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: G.O.D. Pt. III on August 29, 2009, 07:53:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: A. Geesta'z on August 29, 2009, 07:51:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 29, 2009, 07:48:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: A. Geesta'z on August 29, 2009, 07:34:37 PM ---if she signed a contract that states "This church can fire you at any time, without reason. do you agree? sign below"
she cant sue
i know alot of employers make you sign something like that before you work there
--- End quote ---
false. Ive been involved in a settlement where we signed a sheet just like that lol. Employers have you sign those forms as a scare tactic because the average worker will not challenge it and think that they have signed over their legal rights. Our lawyer laughed at it. It holds very little weight in a settlement hearing. All you have to do is say you felt pressured to sign the sheet in order to keep your job...and thats it. Almost no employer will fight it because you can say the same thing in court and they cant prove you wrong. A small business owner might fight it because they simply dont have the money to settle out of a court. Larger companies will almost always just give in to avoid actually going to court.
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its a church
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doesn't matter.
daygo is on point.
--- End quote ---
whats the difference between a church and a small business?
unless the church is like on one of those tv specials on the christian channel
--- End quote ---
they are both acting as business entities which gives them the same liabilities.
daygo did you take business law?
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No, didnt take business law but I developed a pretty good understanding of given the circumstances. And yes, a church is SIMILAR to a small business...but one that probably generates more money. So they could potentially fight it, and more then likely lose. The reason small business owners fight these cases is because they simply cant afford to settle and still keep their business. Their ONLY shot is to fight the case in court and pray they win (which is ironic because praying you win in court wont work, even for the church lol). The thing is, even though the church is similar to a small business...they would more then likely handle this situation as a large corporation. Large corporations dont like the negative publicity that comes along with lawsuits, particularly those that involve unfair treatment of employees. Im sure it makes sense that a church would not want to have a lawsuit against them where a former employee is suing them for terminating her after they discovered she was marrying a non christian. That wouldnt give them a very good image in the eyes of the public.
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i was just wondering because I finished the course over summer and you seem to know the same shit that I do. +1
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: G.O.D. Pt. III on August 30, 2009, 01:30:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 30, 2009, 01:22:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: G.O.D. Pt. III on August 29, 2009, 07:58:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: A. Geesta'z on August 29, 2009, 07:57:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: G.O.D. Pt. III on August 29, 2009, 07:53:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: A. Geesta'z on August 29, 2009, 07:51:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 29, 2009, 07:48:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: A. Geesta'z on August 29, 2009, 07:34:37 PM ---if she signed a contract that states "This church can fire you at any time, without reason. do you agree? sign below"
she cant sue
i know alot of employers make you sign something like that before you work there
--- End quote ---
false. Ive been involved in a settlement where we signed a sheet just like that lol. Employers have you sign those forms as a scare tactic because the average worker will not challenge it and think that they have signed over their legal rights. Our lawyer laughed at it. It holds very little weight in a settlement hearing. All you have to do is say you felt pressured to sign the sheet in order to keep your job...and thats it. Almost no employer will fight it because you can say the same thing in court and they cant prove you wrong. A small business owner might fight it because they simply dont have the money to settle out of a court. Larger companies will almost always just give in to avoid actually going to court.
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its a church
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doesn't matter.
daygo is on point.
--- End quote ---
whats the difference between a church and a small business?
unless the church is like on one of those tv specials on the christian channel
--- End quote ---
they are both acting as business entities which gives them the same liabilities.
daygo did you take business law?
--- End quote ---
No, didnt take business law but I developed a pretty good understanding of given the circumstances. And yes, a church is SIMILAR to a small business...but one that probably generates more money. So they could potentially fight it, and more then likely lose. The reason small business owners fight these cases is because they simply cant afford to settle and still keep their business. Their ONLY shot is to fight the case in court and pray they win (which is ironic because praying you win in court wont work, even for the church lol). The thing is, even though the church is similar to a small business...they would more then likely handle this situation as a large corporation. Large corporations dont like the negative publicity that comes along with lawsuits, particularly those that involve unfair treatment of employees. Im sure it makes sense that a church would not want to have a lawsuit against them where a former employee is suing them for terminating her after they discovered she was marrying a non christian. That wouldnt give them a very good image in the eyes of the public.
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i was just wondering because I finished the course over summer and you seem to know the same shit that I do. +1
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oh alright. Yeah thats gotta be a good course to take, just for knowing how to protect yourself or even run a business at some point.
Sikotic™:
--- Quote from: QuietTruth on August 29, 2009, 09:57:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic on August 29, 2009, 09:23:50 PM ---A church is an organized ran and comprised of PEOPLE. See, this is my whole issue with organized religion: PEOPLE are running it. Can we all agree that PEOPLE are fuck-ups and always get shit wrong?
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I can understand that. But.
--- Quote from: Sikotic on August 29, 2009, 09:23:50 PM ---If this happened to be a corporation and not a church, it would be unanimous among everybody to sue the fuck out of them and get as much money as they could. But its a church so it's okay to illegally fire someone? What the fuck is wrong with y'all?
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If it's coming from a devout follower, suing a Church is wrong. Yes, we know people run it, but it's just the guilt of 'suing a Church'. Maybe she comes from a tight religious upbringing and her fam would be upset about it. Or maybe she herself just has the guilty conscience. She's taking away money from the same place 20% of her check was going to, her faith. Don't necessarily gotta be the Church she feels guilty taking from but maybe she feels its her faith. Call it the instilled 'fear' they put in them like Daygo believes, and hey, it works than, I don't know. Which on THAT part..
I could agree with the runnings of organized religion, like ya'll say, I get that. But still..ya'll gotta understand the other side too..
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Suing a church is wrong even if they are at fault?
C-BLUE:
--- Quote from: Sikotic on August 30, 2009, 06:01:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: QuietTruth on August 29, 2009, 09:57:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic on August 29, 2009, 09:23:50 PM ---A church is an organized ran and comprised of PEOPLE. See, this is my whole issue with organized religion: PEOPLE are running it. Can we all agree that PEOPLE are fuck-ups and always get shit wrong?
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I can understand that. But.
--- Quote from: Sikotic on August 29, 2009, 09:23:50 PM ---If this happened to be a corporation and not a church, it would be unanimous among everybody to sue the fuck out of them and get as much money as they could. But its a church so it's okay to illegally fire someone? What the fuck is wrong with y'all?
--- End quote ---
If it's coming from a devout follower, suing a Church is wrong. Yes, we know people run it, but it's just the guilt of 'suing a Church'. Maybe she comes from a tight religious upbringing and her fam would be upset about it. Or maybe she herself just has the guilty conscience. She's taking away money from the same place 20% of her check was going to, her faith. Don't necessarily gotta be the Church she feels guilty taking from but maybe she feels its her faith. Call it the instilled 'fear' they put in them like Daygo believes, and hey, it works than, I don't know. Which on THAT part..
I could agree with the runnings of organized religion, like ya'll say, I get that. But still..ya'll gotta understand the other side too..
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Suing a church is wrong even if they are at fault?
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hahaha quiet truth has the worst arguments...the "this long!!!!" argument he had here earlier made me laugh quite a bit. this one comes as no surprise to me. but i see what he's trying to say...he's trying to put yourself in a devout christian's shoes. only thing is...it's retarded.
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