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This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it.
^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.Quote from: Fraxxx on September 01, 2009, 12:18:03 AMThis is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.Quote from: Fraxxx on September 01, 2009, 12:18:03 AMI'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it. What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.Oh my god. I don't know.I give up!!My mind is being corrupted.
^Stop trying to look smart, you're post are getting annoying to read...That's like half a page to say 'Neither of you can prove there point'You think God has to be an conscience, but does it really?Can't it be the force keeping the universe going?And on the 'before the big bang' issue:I believe there may have been another universe before this one.Like the universe is reinventing itself constantly.
Quote from: QuietTruth on September 01, 2009, 08:09:49 AM^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.Quote from: Fraxxx on September 01, 2009, 12:18:03 AMThis is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.Quote from: Fraxxx on September 01, 2009, 12:18:03 AMI'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it. What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.Oh my god. I don't know.I give up!!My mind is being corrupted. Christian but not really practicing, I do believe their is a god, how ever I don't believe that any bible or religion on this earth actually represents his actual plan/reason and is just Their own interpretation of God. Anyways the following is why this will never be resolved. You believe that we each have a ssoul, were he does not, This is just another staple in both your personal beliefs that differ (if he does believe that). You can't disprove him nor can he disprove you. Its all belief/faith. He believes their is no god, we have no purpose were as you believe their is a god, and his purpose for us is something greater we have yet to attain. IMO both your sides hold grounds but neither side can ever prove its self with out clear cut research. The chances of their being no god is ludicrous considering the Big Bang Theory is what is said the Universe was created from (the explosion), But what created the ball? Maybe not a god Like Entity but something. Now their being no Purpose is something that's probably highly probable. Look at humanities history religion, values, moral, and over all mindstate (not the spectrum) has changed constantly with each new age. The Spectrum for good and evil (even though is disputable considering the entire idea for good and evil is a man made ideal) can always change.What if god has no plan? What if he doesn't even give a shit and this is just some sorta of experiment he wants to see. What if he has no implanted spectrum, after all this would be applicable since god would be the original (IE A clean slate, no one to push it into 1 direction or the other). What if by our standards god is simpley made humans to see us destroy our selves? Its possible Since the moment we were on this planet we could kill everything with our bare hands given enough persistence. That's if god exist. See, even if he does exist, you nor any other religion has no true evidence to explain his plan or even show who he was. So even if a god exist, doesn't automatically mean your religion is right.Now lets say your Atheist. The universe was created via the Big Bang Theory (it could be said the ball was formed outta Existence of some Fussion based element in the emptyness of the universe, As such the Big Bang was just a bunch of dust and stuff clumped). Their was no god. Only thing controlling humans was not some faith, nor even a inner sense of moral (this again established by the on-set of the norm) but just pure raw nature. We live, we do what we do in life and we die. Nothing more nothing less. People can debate their is a afterlife but until you see it your just believing in a unknown. As such you believe their is no afterlife. Once you die, nothing happens that Humans are not driven by souls, but just by Energy the sun gives us.Now, both you must ask your self. Can you prove their is a god? Can you prove their is not one? In the end neither of you can't. The one factor that would turn the tide is how the universe was created. Was the ball made by god and then it exploded via his means? Or was it some sorta cosmic dust that formed it thus negating any evidence of a Holy factor. Did god do it via cosmic dust? Fact is neither of you can prove your point. This is why its called Faith. You believe in something even though you can't support it. It goes with religion it goes with Atheist. Either way your belief predetermines your attitude on this subject as such you'll never back down. Cause what if their was no god? What would you do then? What if their was a god? What would you do then. Either way only thing I know is. Were on this fuckin planet. Were killing our selves over trivial bullshit. Pushing our beliefs on another and when they don't accept we mock, we ridicule, and we attack them.Most of us are so stuck up our own ass with our own morals and ideals, we'll never truly see the truth.
Quote from: Sikotic on September 01, 2009, 01:45:13 AMQuote from: QuietTruth on August 31, 2009, 10:29:16 PMQuoteHistorical documents are documents that contain important information about a person, place, or event.Most famous historical documents are either laws, accounts of battles (often given by the victors or persons sharing their viewpoint), and the exploits of the powerful. But they actually have to happen!There's no proof of what Noah didThere's no proof that Jews were slaves in EgyptThere's no proof israelites invaded canaanHistorical documents have to be backed up by proof. Religious documents, on the other hand, are all based on faith. If you believe those things occured then thats all gravy, but your faith in no way, shape or form proves anything, therefore, the bible isnt a historical document.There's no proof of god's intervention in it***There were 2 massive floods in ancient times.1 Created the black sea the other created the persian gulf.There could've easily been some retard who put a shitload of animals on a boat before it happend..the bible is based on events that actually happend.But don't forget ancient historical texts aren't that reliable either because history is written by the winners.
Quote from: QuietTruth on August 31, 2009, 10:29:16 PMQuoteHistorical documents are documents that contain important information about a person, place, or event.Most famous historical documents are either laws, accounts of battles (often given by the victors or persons sharing their viewpoint), and the exploits of the powerful. But they actually have to happen!There's no proof of what Noah didThere's no proof that Jews were slaves in EgyptThere's no proof israelites invaded canaanHistorical documents have to be backed up by proof. Religious documents, on the other hand, are all based on faith. If you believe those things occured then thats all gravy, but your faith in no way, shape or form proves anything, therefore, the bible isnt a historical document.
QuoteHistorical documents are documents that contain important information about a person, place, or event.Most famous historical documents are either laws, accounts of battles (often given by the victors or persons sharing their viewpoint), and the exploits of the powerful.
Historical documents are documents that contain important information about a person, place, or event.Most famous historical documents are either laws, accounts of battles (often given by the victors or persons sharing their viewpoint), and the exploits of the powerful.
Quote from: Blasphemy on September 01, 2009, 09:05:49 AMQuote from: QuietTruth on September 01, 2009, 08:09:49 AM^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.Quote from: Fraxxx on September 01, 2009, 12:18:03 AMThis is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.Quote from: Fraxxx on September 01, 2009, 12:18:03 AMI'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it. What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.Oh my god. I don't know.I give up!!My mind is being corrupted. Christian but not really practicing, I do believe their is a god, how ever I don't believe that any bible or religion on this earth actually represents his actual plan/reason and is just Their own interpretation of God. Anyways the following is why this will never be resolved. You believe that we each have a ssoul, were he does not, This is just another staple in both your personal beliefs that differ (if he does believe that). You can't disprove him nor can he disprove you. Its all belief/faith. He believes their is no god, we have no purpose were as you believe their is a god, and his purpose for us is something greater we have yet to attain. IMO both your sides hold grounds but neither side can ever prove its self with out clear cut research. The chances of their being no god is ludicrous considering the Big Bang Theory is what is said the Universe was created from (the explosion), But what created the ball? Maybe not a god Like Entity but something. Now their being no Purpose is something that's probably highly probable. Look at humanities history religion, values, moral, and over all mindstate (not the spectrum) has changed constantly with each new age. The Spectrum for good and evil (even though is disputable considering the entire idea for good and evil is a man made ideal) can always change.What if god has no plan? What if he doesn't even give a shit and this is just some sorta of experiment he wants to see. What if he has no implanted spectrum, after all this would be applicable since god would be the original (IE A clean slate, no one to push it into 1 direction or the other). What if by our standards god is simpley made humans to see us destroy our selves? Its possible Since the moment we were on this planet we could kill everything with our bare hands given enough persistence. That's if god exist. See, even if he does exist, you nor any other religion has no true evidence to explain his plan or even show who he was. So even if a god exist, doesn't automatically mean your religion is right.Now lets say your Atheist. The universe was created via the Big Bang Theory (it could be said the ball was formed outta Existence of some Fussion based element in the emptyness of the universe, As such the Big Bang was just a bunch of dust and stuff clumped). Their was no god. Only thing controlling humans was not some faith, nor even a inner sense of moral (this again established by the on-set of the norm) but just pure raw nature. We live, we do what we do in life and we die. Nothing more nothing less. People can debate their is a afterlife but until you see it your just believing in a unknown. As such you believe their is no afterlife. Once you die, nothing happens that Humans are not driven by souls, but just by Energy the sun gives us.Now, both you must ask your self. Can you prove their is a god? Can you prove their is not one? In the end neither of you can't. The one factor that would turn the tide is how the universe was created. Was the ball made by god and then it exploded via his means? Or was it some sorta cosmic dust that formed it thus negating any evidence of a Holy factor. Did god do it via cosmic dust? Fact is neither of you can prove your point. This is why its called Faith. You believe in something even though you can't support it. It goes with religion it goes with Atheist. Either way your belief predetermines your attitude on this subject as such you'll never back down. Cause what if their was no god? What would you do then? What if their was a god? What would you do then. Either way only thing I know is. Were on this fuckin planet. Were killing our selves over trivial bullshit. Pushing our beliefs on another and when they don't accept we mock, we ridicule, and we attack them.Most of us are so stuck up our own ass with our own morals and ideals, we'll never truly see the truth.First of all...you do make some strong points and they're a hell of a lot better than the bullshit you get from quiet ruth or her cunting mother. You are correct when u say that neither side can prove a point. I can't prove there is no god and I also can't prove theres aliens out there. But I do have eyes and ears. I know what I see and I know what I don't. Atheism carries weight whereas religion carries almost none. The weight being scientific evidence of course. Evolution is a fact. We do evolve and a billion years from now you probably wouldn't recognize our specie. Yes there is faith in atheism since it's damn near impossible to prove something exists or not when u can't see it, hear it, touch it or detect it. But wouldn't you BELIEVE that since you can't do any of these things that this thing called god is total fabrication and bullshit. We can prove the existence of Tila Tequila...we can see her, touch her and even fucc her. I wish I could say the same about god. There is no evidence that suggests there is a god. The only thing religion has is FAITH but atheism has faith AND scientific evidence. That's why our faith is not above logic and reason.
I have no idea why Atheists are on Hip Hop music boards, if ask me, honestly. Esp. if you a mainstream Hip Hip fan.
Quote from: LIGHTS on August 30, 2009, 11:13:40 PMI am ChristianMe also.
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This is a pretty good TOT thread