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Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
Fraxxx:
--- Quote from: QuietTruth on September 01, 2009, 08:09:49 AM ---^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.
--- Quote from: Fraxxx on September 01, 2009, 12:18:03 AM ---This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
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What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.
--- Quote from: Fraxxx on September 01, 2009, 12:18:03 AM ---I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it. ;D
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What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.
Oh my god. I don't know.
I give up!!
My mind is being corrupted. You mixed up birth
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I think you really need to read more thoroughly. You mixed up having families, birth and death with (citation):MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH". This is the point I'm getting at, therefore it was written in bold. ;)
And I just can't imagine which hint nature gives you for that. And that's why I called your argument retarded (not religious people as a whole) and random.
I never called you selfish for being religious and you're right, I don't think that there's something bigger than us. But that's relative, I don't think we're more worthy than animals. It's not about worth. Besides, Christians take their greatness under god for a fact, more than anyone else. And why is what I said ignorant?
You ask where our conscience will go? It will vanish. Of course, I can't prove it but I think there's a good propability from what we know. Like I said (and that's a question I really would like you to answer):"Why would there be more meaning to life then the billions of years before, only because there's a species now which is intelligent enough to pose the question?"
"You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT!" See, my thought process goes again everything you was taught. Maybe you should try this "thinking" for once instead of constantly repeating what you've been taught.
I don't parade around like I'm better. And I have no problem to admit that there are so many unanswered questions. Scientists, at least, try to find answers. Don't mean they have them all, but they gain knowledge everyday. While religion relies on "god" as an universal, unproven, illogic answer to every question.
Like I said in my last post, I don't think that you're willing to accept any of this but if you think about responding, consider to directly refer to what I said like I referred to what you said.
QuietTruth:
Hip Hop is Urban music. With the Urban culture. And Urban culture loves they religion. Even Jaydc who doesn't believe in God, likes 50 Cent's Many Men record. That joint? Many Men? Like how could ya'll listen to Hip Hop when mostly every record references God. As people who can't stand these views, ya'll don't get pissed off hearing it in every song? If I was Atheist I sure as hell wouldn't be listening to Hip Hop, unless it's prolly unAmercian, Dead Prez, or some DEEP underground backpack shit who prolly got some crazy views already anyways.
QuietTruth:
--- Quote from: Fraxxx on September 02, 2009, 01:45:18 AM ---
--- Quote from: QuietTruth on September 01, 2009, 08:09:49 AM ---^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.
--- Quote from: Fraxxx on September 01, 2009, 12:18:03 AM ---This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
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What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.
--- Quote from: Fraxxx on September 01, 2009, 12:18:03 AM ---I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it. ;D
--- End quote ---
What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.
Oh my god. I don't know.
I give up!!
My mind is being corrupted. You mixed up birth
--- End quote ---
I think you really need to read more thoroughly. You mixed up having families, birth and death with (citation):MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH". This is the point I'm getting at, therefore it was written in bold. ;)
And I just can't imagine which hint nature gives you for that. And that's why I called your argument retarded (not religious people as a whole) and random.
I never called you selfish for being religious and you're right, I don't think that there's something bigger than us. But that's relative, I don't think we're more worthy than animals. It's not about worth. Besides, Christians take their greatness under god for a fact, more than anyone else. And why is what I said ignorant?
You ask where our conscience will go? It will vanish. Of course, I can't prove it but I think there's a good propability from what we know. Like I said (and that's a question I really would like you to answer):"Why would there be more meaning to life then the billions of years before, only because there's a species now which is intelligent enough to pose the question?"
"You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT!" See, my thought process goes again everything you was taught. Maybe you should try this "thinking" for once instead of constantly repeating what you've been taught.
I don't parade around like I'm better. And I have no problem to admit that there are so many unanswered questions. Scientists, at least, try to find answers. Don't mean they have them all, but they gain knowledge everyday. While religion relies on "god" as an universal, unproven, illogic answer to every question.
Like I said in my last post, I don't think that you're willing to accept any of this but if you think about responding, consider to directly refer to what I said like I referred to what you said.
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You're prolly right, I'm not willing to accept it, but I can respect it. I respect your beliefs. But I don't respect, being disrespected.
See here.
I NEVER KNEW WHAT THE FUCK ATHEISM WAS, until I came on this board. Never even heard of the notion to NOT believe in God. Never heard of the word! I knew other religions and knew about devil worshipers, but never in my life heard of Atheism until I came on an internet message board. I had to fuckin' look what that meant up, after I saw it here. And after learning and reading replies on here, I see these people call religious folks unintelligent and selfish, naive, and dumb. And that's disrespect. Like, ya'll use THAT as an argument. Fuck my weak lines, according to C-Blue, some gotta use name calling as a damn argument. And I'm just using previous posts or ideas from other Atheists threads and topics on here, to try and understand. I use it in my posts now becuz if one Atheist believes that shit, I'ma see if the next one does too.
I ain't gonna be willing to accept, nah, I can't. I never heard this is my life. Everythang, God was there, belief was there. From my family, friends, school, teachers, the music I listen to, yeah Hip Hop, everythang was God. I didn't know somebody could deny it. And as I read ya'll posts some of ya'll even went to Church as a kid, was brought up in a family surrounded by religion, even went to Sunday schools and went to Catholic schools, but yet somewhere ya'll didn't agree with it. That, is just mind boggling, to me. Nowwww Fraxxx, I don't know how you was brought up, so I'm not tryinnnn to put words in mouths here, but I guess I could understand if faith was never discussed..
I could also get how an Atheist chooses Science rather than Faith. BUT what I can't get is calling my logic ridiculous in believing in God cuz I CAN'T prove it, when nobody else CAN prove he's fake!!! You see?
And I have been tryin' your 'thinking', I've been tryin to be empathetic, like I said I get the Science, 'seeing is believing' type thang, I could understand that. But the rest, in depth, deeper detailed views, and arguments is just as ridiculous as you think our is. And that's what I'm sayin'. And STILL posting in these never ending threads! I get the surface of it, but the deep deep inside...nahhhhh. I'm tryin' to defend myself here in these posts, well the religion I mean not me, and the way I'm talkin' is like I am doubting God to try and be empathetic and understanding like. Example, well 'If God....', if God? Like what the hell, I'm started to talk like ya'll. So I mean, I don't know.
Sikotic™:
--- Quote from: QuietTruth on September 02, 2009, 07:49:32 AM ---Hip Hop is Urban music. With the Urban culture. And Urban culture loves they religion. Even Jaydc who doesn't believe in God, likes 50 Cent's Many Men record. That joint? Many Men? Like how could ya'll listen to Hip Hop when mostly every record references God. As people who can't stand these views, ya'll don't get pissed off hearing it in every song? If I was Atheist I sure as hell wouldn't be listening to Hip Hop, unless it's prolly unAmercian, Dead Prez, or some DEEP underground backpack shit who prolly got some crazy views already anyways.
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So you don't listen to Rakim because he's Muslim? Or Common because he's Muslim? A grip of rappers talk about Allah, but does that piss you off? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but a lot of hip-hop artists have dissed Christianity.
Personally, I have no beef with religion and the religious views of people as long as it comforts them. When their beliefs begin to spread hated, violence and ignorance is when it begins to bug me. Otherwise, I feel you should have the right to believe whatever you want to believe.
QuietTruth:
--- Quote from: Sikotic on September 02, 2009, 03:15:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: QuietTruth on September 02, 2009, 07:49:32 AM ---Hip Hop is Urban music. With the Urban culture. And Urban culture loves they religion. Even Jaydc who doesn't believe in God, likes 50 Cent's Many Men record. That joint? Many Men? Like how could ya'll listen to Hip Hop when mostly every record references God. As people who can't stand these views, ya'll don't get pissed off hearing it in every song? If I was Atheist I sure as hell wouldn't be listening to Hip Hop, unless it's prolly unAmercian, Dead Prez, or some DEEP underground backpack shit who prolly got some crazy views already anyways.
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So you don't listen to Rakim because he's Muslim? Or Common because he's Muslim? A grip of rappers talk about Allah, but does that piss you off? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but a lot of hip-hop artists have dissed Christianity.
Personally, I have no beef with religion and the religious views of people as long as it comforts them. When their beliefs begin to spread hated, violence and ignorance is when it begins to bug me. Otherwise, I feel you should have the right to believe whatever you want to believe.
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Faith, I'm talking about. God. Allah is God. And no it doesn't, the Poor Righteous Teachers have some of the truest lyrics any Hip Hop artist spit and I ain't no 5%'er. But the common factor is faith.
And if anybody despises religion. Not Christianity, but religion. I don't see why somebody's gonna listen to a record that's talkin' bout God. Atheists seem to get pissed about our intelligent asses following it yet THEY ARE gonna listen to Rakim, they are gonna listen to Kanye West, they are gonna listen to DMX for God's sake, and Wu-Tang, Brand Nubian, etc. etc. etc.
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