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Twentytwofifty:
I would like to know if someone could give me one good reason for this.  W/L record for pitching should be abolished, I hate when people bring those numbers up like they mean something.


--- Quote ---Perhaps the ultimate example of why the "win" is a useless stat
Posted by Nick Kapur on Saturday September 12th 2009, 2:15 am, filed in Diamond cuts

In tonight's game between the Reds and the Cubs, Cubs starter Rich Harden had already run up a pitch count of 103 through 4 innings of work, despite only allowing 1 run, so Cubs manager Lou Pinella opted to remove him from the game (wisely, I would say, given Harden's legendary fragility). Harden left with a 4-1 lead, but obviously could not get the win, since he had not pitched the requisite 5 innings.

Rookie reliever Jeff Stevens thereupon entered the game to start the 5th frame, pitching one inning and earning his first ever career win.

The only problem was, in his one inning of work Stevens gave up two singles and a three run bomb to Johnny Gomes, erasing the Cubs' lead and leaving the game as a 4-4 tie.

The Cubs promptly came back and scored a run in the bottom half of the fifth, and scoreless relief by three other Cubs relievers, including 2 innings of hitless, 3-strikeout work by Aaron Heilman, preserved a 6-4 victory for Chicago, and saved the "win" for Stevens.

This is one of the worst cases of "vulturing a win" that I've seen in a long, long time. Stevens was far and away the worst Cubs pitcher in this game, posting a -.265 WPA whereas all the other four pitchers were positive, and yet he was awarded the win.

I know I'm just beating a long dead horse here, but why again do so many people hang so much of their evaluation of a player (not to mention Cy Young Awards), on this incredibly flawed stat?
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OG Hack Wilson:
i assume beacuse out of a 9 inning game, 5 innings means you've played over half

Twentytwofifty:

--- Quote from: THE PIED PIPER on September 14, 2009, 10:12:33 AM ---i assume beacuse out of a 9 inning game, 5 innings means you've played over half
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Still doesn't seem like a good reason to me when you can conceivably pitch 4 & 2/3 innings throwing a perfect game, get pulled and some guy come in let up 5 runs in 1/3 of an inning and end up getting the W. 

OG Hack Wilson:
lol


back when they came up with the rules (in the 1800s) they obviously didnt think that ahead lol

"THE" MoSav:
CUZ ITS THE RULES. MAKES SENSE

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