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infinite59:
We need to make a desicion.  Do we want to be the one's riding in the bus, or driving the bus?

Islam has never been about going along for the ride.  By our manner, our way of life, we are truly unique and rightly guided.  We need to be the ones driving the bus.  We need to be the leaders of our countries and communities.  Right now, we are far behind.  Allah says that we must first change that which is in us and then he will change our enviroment and condition.

First we must establish our prayers, establish ourselves in our community.  Make the Muslim umma strong.  Be leaders amongst non-Muslims and beacons of light to guide those in the dark.  Then, when Allah says it is time, and only then, we will once again be able to choose and decide our own fate and destiny consistent with the deen of Allah.  Assalamulakum brothers.

RAPQUAKE:
^^Yeah U muslims cannot just let someone else rule u huh? If ur not making all the "infidels" eat ur dust U will not be satisfied huh Prophet Infinite, or should I say Terrorist Leader-in-training  ::)

infinite59:

--- Quote from: RAP QUAKE on November 04, 2002, 05:10:35 PM ---^^Yeah U muslims cannot just let someone else rule u huh? If ur not making all the "infidels" eat ur dust U will not be satisfied huh Prophet Infinite, or should I say Terrorist Leader-in-training  ::)

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Throughout history, there have been many Muslim governments who practiced tolerance.  Read the history of Muhammad (salli Alahu Alaiyhi wa salaam).  He enacted many peace treaties with non-Muslim groups, people and communities.  Muslims even protected non-Muslims human rights.  

You are a liar, a mischief maker, and I will not repeat myself again in this thread to anyone propagating and promoting lies.  The Qu'ran does not allow for Muslims to transgress upon the rights of non-Muslims.

Ant:

--- Quote from: Infinite Ibrahim Abdul Hamid on November 04, 2002, 05:25:47 PM ---
--- Quote from: RAP QUAKE on November 04, 2002, 05:10:35 PM ---^^Yeah U muslims cannot just let someone else rule u huh? If ur not making all the "infidels" eat ur dust U will not be satisfied huh Prophet Infinite, or should I say Terrorist Leader-in-training  ::)

--- End quote ---

Throughout history, there have been many Muslim governments who practiced tolerance.  Read the history of Muhammad (salli Alahu Alaiyhi wa salaam).  He enacted many peace treaties with non-Muslim groups, people and communities.  Muslims even protected non-Muslims human rights.  

You are a liar, a mischief maker, and I will not repeat myself again in this thread to anyone propagating and promoting lies.  The Qu'ran does not allow for Muslims to transgress upon the rights of non-Muslims.

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Perhaps then the Qu'ran should more clearly define what those "rights" are.  Up until recently I would have assumed that the right of innocent people to live was on there, but crashing a plane into the WTC kind of infringed on that right.  While you can say that those people aren't true muslims, do problems such as terrorism point to an underlying and unaddressed problem with your faith?  

It is easy to cast away blame, but by accepting it you gain a chance to learn and question.  Thereby improving your beliefs, and your own personal development.  

I beleive there are issues with all faiths that are commonly ignored for no one's benefit.  There is nothing to lose by simply questioning, except your arrogance.  Or in the unlucky event you choose to question a militant religious extremist your life.  But perhaps one day such situations can be avoided.

A problem cannot be addressed until it is identified.  Do we know all the causes of terrorism?  I think if we look at it objectively we would find faults on both sides.  

Trauma-san:
Well, In America, we don't believe in a religion running the government.  I'm a member of a very powerful religion, and even we believe that the laws of the land should be decided by the government, not the church.  That's what's so beautiful about America.  You can live here and be muslim, and not have to worry about us imposing our christian beliefs on you.  (Of course, many other countries are like this, also, not just america).  I see NOTHING 'anti-muslim' about the government, so I dunno what the fuss is, lol... But whatever, man, If you want to leave, leave.  

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