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not saying i agree or disagreebut people who say that Pac only started reppin the West when he signed to Death Row..even back in 93 he was saying that every praise he gets as an artist should go to Oakland and the West and every award he got should've also gone to the West and etc so he did always claim the West..i think he said himself that when he came out he really didnt claim either east or west cuz he always figured that hip-hop was all 1 nation and it really didn't matter, especially since he lived on both the east and the west..but i guess he felt like he could identify with the west more once everybody started claiming where they were from and all that..and it got even more extreme with all his beefs and whatnot
Pac wasn't the king of the West. to be king u gotta be born and raised in whatever 2 b king of. Pac wasn't born or raised in the west 4 that matter. U say he was 15 when he moved out Cali and when 2pacolypse Now came out he was 19/20... sorry my man Pac still had a lil' more westside livin' 2 claim westside. Now if Pac woulda dropped his 1st album when he was like 23/24 talkin westside and shit then it'll be like okay, u can claim that shit but dont forget where u came from (which he obviously did ultimately). Pac wasn't in the trenches long enuff out West 2 be hollarin tha shit and throwin' it up on tha album cover. It takes 4yrs to graduate from college, not the streets.Now if Pac was comin' out like I'm an Eastcoast nigga ridin' on tha Westside and livin' this Westside Life then shit would just smooth over (like it hasn't already) but u see wat im gettin at. I'm sorry but i'm 20, and if I moved out 2 Phoenix for the next 5 years and grinded in those streets and made a name for myself, i wouldn't start hollarin out Westside n shit (niggaz wouldn't even allow me 2 come home back 2 da DMV). But Pac was still a kid tho, he probably was just lookin 4 tha "appeal" thing and the Westcoast was hot then and it kinda made a lil sense at the time I bet, but still- that shit is fake no matter how u try 2 cut it.
People wern't buying All Eyez On Me for the lyrics, or Hip Hop value, whereas people were buying Ready To Die for the Hip Hop value of it, the more articulate aspect of it... 2Pac's was a far larger album to begin with (double album) with so much variety, stars, and hits, and the controversy around him made him an appealing star in the public eye. People just bought into it with this album, because being honest. Content, and lyrical wise Me Against The World, and Makaveli were doper albums. All Eyez On Me was more pop, so undoubtedly he would attain a bigger reception in terms of sales, it doesn't make him king of West Hip Hop, it just means he makes most money, but money isn't a precidence for skill and ability
Quote from: oak20land510-415 on September 23, 2009, 10:47:52 AMKick 4rm 301Muthafuckin' Don!*****Karma: -424Offline OfflinePosts: 1434As I Walk Thru Tha Shadow Of Death Re: Pac was really The King of the West« Reply #5 on: Today at 09:14:59 AM » Reply with quotePac wasn't even from tha West. He was born in NY then moved 2 Bmore, and then when he was like 16/17 he moved out to Cali. He was only on "the westcoast" for like 2 years b4 he started goin' worldwide. Pac can't claim "westside" like that. He lived out BMore or Brooklyn far longer than he did Oakland (that's some fake ass shit tbh). I never got that shit. I mean i get tha whole, it ain't where u from its where u at or anything of that nature but u can't say/claim/represent to death (literally) another coast where ur not from. Pac was a dumbass/dickhead/cockrider/swagger-jacker/bangwagoner 4 thatPac might have been born on tha East Coast but was reppin The West 2 tha fullest he didn't start rappin till he came to tha West Tha Bay put Pac on Tha East ain't do shit but try to KILL him how can he hold down tha East when niggaz try'n to MURK him tha West had nothin but love for Pac so he had nothin but love foe tha West Coast you probably AIN'T EVEN FROM THA WEST COAST sayin some stupid shit like dat.i hate wen ppl try 2 argue dum shit bcuz they have nothing else to do. its been documented in every 2pac doc that he wrote poetry since he was dam near a baby. so Pac has always been writing. Pac also went 2 tha BMore School of Performing Arts for Music, it might of been dance but i dont think so. So Pac was really a Westside Bandwagoner at tha time (truthfully speaking). He was born and RAISED in tha East and moved out 2 Cali right b4 he blew. Pac was fake 4 that, and alot of ppl 2 this day from tha DMV got a lil' beef (so to say) wit Pac bcuz of that fact alone, especially out BMore. Now somehow, someway we still have ppl with this 2001 DeathRow Records mentality. Claiming Dre hasn't done shit 4 tha West but whole time, Dre is the West and always has been. Dre planted seeds in tha West and watched em ALL (most) grow worldwide. R u mad bcuz he rode wit 50 instead of Hittman? get over it, 50 shits on 90& of the artist Dre signed in tha past 10 years anyways. If DeathRow woulda never unfolded tha way it did (dre leaving, snoop's murder case, 2pac's death, suge's bs). everybody from deathrow only exclusivly working with each other on each and every song put out. y'all would be like okay... all of their music sounds tha same, it's so uninspired, it's so stagnet, gfunk is played out, etc. Last, the most important thing all of. Pac isn't from the West and he can't be the King of The West unless ur talking about the US *being on tha western part of the planet* Like, u can't be born and raised in the UK and then move 2 Atlanta and get something popping off a year later, you can't be like "im king of tha dirty south", or "i run ny". You're gonna see Drake lose alotta love 4 startin 2 act like and talk about shit like he's from tha States.
Kick 4rm 301Muthafuckin' Don!*****Karma: -424Offline OfflinePosts: 1434As I Walk Thru Tha Shadow Of Death Re: Pac was really The King of the West« Reply #5 on: Today at 09:14:59 AM » Reply with quotePac wasn't even from tha West. He was born in NY then moved 2 Bmore, and then when he was like 16/17 he moved out to Cali. He was only on "the westcoast" for like 2 years b4 he started goin' worldwide. Pac can't claim "westside" like that. He lived out BMore or Brooklyn far longer than he did Oakland (that's some fake ass shit tbh). I never got that shit. I mean i get tha whole, it ain't where u from its where u at or anything of that nature but u can't say/claim/represent to death (literally) another coast where ur not from. Pac was a dumbass/dickhead/cockrider/swagger-jacker/bangwagoner 4 thatPac might have been born on tha East Coast but was reppin The West 2 tha fullest he didn't start rappin till he came to tha West Tha Bay put Pac on Tha East ain't do shit but try to KILL him how can he hold down tha East when niggaz try'n to MURK him tha West had nothin but love for Pac so he had nothin but love foe tha West Coast you probably AIN'T EVEN FROM THA WEST COAST sayin some stupid shit like dat.
Quote from: Kick 4rm 301 on September 24, 2009, 09:52:27 AMPac wasn't the king of the West. to be king u gotta be born and raised in whatever 2 b king of. Pac wasn't born or raised in the west 4 that matter. U say he was 15 when he moved out Cali and when 2pacolypse Now came out he was 19/20... sorry my man Pac still had a lil' more westside livin' 2 claim westside. Now if Pac woulda dropped his 1st album when he was like 23/24 talkin westside and shit then it'll be like okay, u can claim that shit but dont forget where u came from (which he obviously did ultimately). Pac wasn't in the trenches long enuff out West 2 be hollarin tha shit and throwin' it up on tha album cover. It takes 4yrs to graduate from college, not the streets.Now if Pac was comin' out like I'm an Eastcoast nigga ridin' on tha Westside and livin' this Westside Life then shit would just smooth over (like it hasn't already) but u see wat im gettin at. I'm sorry but i'm 20, and if I moved out 2 Phoenix for the next 5 years and grinded in those streets and made a name for myself, i wouldn't start hollarin out Westside n shit (niggaz wouldn't even allow me 2 come home back 2 da DMV). But Pac was still a kid tho, he probably was just lookin 4 tha "appeal" thing and the Westcoast was hot then and it kinda made a lil sense at the time I bet, but still- that shit is fake no matter how u try 2 cut it.u dont have to be born there to be king, the people choose their king, and kingdoms have also been seized by force
Quote from: IF NOT ME THEN WHO on September 24, 2009, 11:29:31 AMQuote from: Kick 4rm 301 on September 24, 2009, 09:52:27 AMPac wasn't the king of the West. to be king u gotta be born and raised in whatever 2 b king of. Pac wasn't born or raised in the west 4 that matter. U say he was 15 when he moved out Cali and when 2pacolypse Now came out he was 19/20... sorry my man Pac still had a lil' more westside livin' 2 claim westside. Now if Pac woulda dropped his 1st album when he was like 23/24 talkin westside and shit then it'll be like okay, u can claim that shit but dont forget where u came from (which he obviously did ultimately). Pac wasn't in the trenches long enuff out West 2 be hollarin tha shit and throwin' it up on tha album cover. It takes 4yrs to graduate from college, not the streets.Now if Pac was comin' out like I'm an Eastcoast nigga ridin' on tha Westside and livin' this Westside Life then shit would just smooth over (like it hasn't already) but u see wat im gettin at. I'm sorry but i'm 20, and if I moved out 2 Phoenix for the next 5 years and grinded in those streets and made a name for myself, i wouldn't start hollarin out Westside n shit (niggaz wouldn't even allow me 2 come home back 2 da DMV). But Pac was still a kid tho, he probably was just lookin 4 tha "appeal" thing and the Westcoast was hot then and it kinda made a lil sense at the time I bet, but still- that shit is fake no matter how u try 2 cut it.u dont have to be born there to be king, the people choose their king, and kingdoms have also been seized by forceIf I'm not mistaken somebody has to take the crown for a person to no longer be king. Who would you consider the king of the west right now?
dQuote from: ThaRealSupreme on September 24, 2009, 11:32:58 AMQuote from: IF NOT ME THEN WHO on September 24, 2009, 11:29:31 AMQuote from: Kick 4rm 301 on September 24, 2009, 09:52:27 AMPac wasn't the king of the West. to be king u gotta be born and raised in whatever 2 b king of. Pac wasn't born or raised in the west 4 that matter. U say he was 15 when he moved out Cali and when 2pacolypse Now came out he was 19/20... sorry my man Pac still had a lil' more westside livin' 2 claim westside. Now if Pac woulda dropped his 1st album when he was like 23/24 talkin westside and shit then it'll be like okay, u can claim that shit but dont forget where u came from (which he obviously did ultimately). Pac wasn't in the trenches long enuff out West 2 be hollarin tha shit and throwin' it up on tha album cover. It takes 4yrs to graduate from college, not the streets.Now if Pac was comin' out like I'm an Eastcoast nigga ridin' on tha Westside and livin' this Westside Life then shit would just smooth over (like it hasn't already) but u see wat im gettin at. I'm sorry but i'm 20, and if I moved out 2 Phoenix for the next 5 years and grinded in those streets and made a name for myself, i wouldn't start hollarin out Westside n shit (niggaz wouldn't even allow me 2 come home back 2 da DMV). But Pac was still a kid tho, he probably was just lookin 4 tha "appeal" thing and the Westcoast was hot then and it kinda made a lil sense at the time I bet, but still- that shit is fake no matter how u try 2 cut it.u dont have to be born there to be king, the people choose their king, and kingdoms have also been seized by forceIf I'm not mistaken somebody has to take the crown for a person to no longer be king. Who would you consider the king of the west right now?well like i said the people can choose their king and it seems as if we have chosen game no matter how terrible a king he may be, but then some may say snoop, or cube its not a clear cut picture
Pac isn't anymore WestCoast than Too $hort is Southern. Deal with it. I know that's y'all hero and all but don't catch feelings and call me a hater and everybody else a hater (on this side) bcuz Pac was hood hoppin'. And actually if he was rappin about Cali and claiming BALTIMORE then it woulda made more sense. And to tha faggie who said he's older than me, act like it. There's no need 2 bash out and ur not talkin any knowledge- u bitched out 4 that. But if people (who probably havent even stepped foot in Cali) wanna go back n forth all day u got it. Just don't act like Pac wasn't living out here MOST of his life. This is where MOST of his inspiration came from. He woulda been on some 6'foez and bandanna swangin shit more than the motivational/revolutionary shit. King of the West now would have 2 b Snoop hands down or Dr. Dre, it's really a toss up. I'd throw Cube in that slot but dude just wasn't on the music scene strong like he was up until 99'. Hell, if Eazy wouldn't of died he woulda been the king of the West, he had Cali and some of the Mid-West on lock, u couldn't travel half way across tha US without somebody fuckin' wit niggaz form Ruthless. But Snoop has been crankin' since 91' and Dre has been crankin' music since 85'/86'. Pac 1992-1996, that's not long enough. That's just like when ppl say BIG was tha GOAT but he only dropped 3 albums and was only around for 4 yrs. If BIG was around 2day and nothin happend and Big L woulda never got mirked, alot of us would been singing a different tune. If Eazy wouldn't have died and Pac wouldn't have died and Cube was tryna make his music more universal (produce more albums instead of movies) then we couldn't call that shit.
when i say we i mean the west lol cuz i dint have any part in that either
Kick 4rm 301Muthafuckin' Don!*****Karma: -425Online OnlinePosts: 1439As I Walk Thru Tha Shadow Of Death Re: Pac was really The King of the West« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 11:15:43 PM » Reply with quoteQuote from: Ridah662 on Yesterday at 03:35:38 PMwe obviously have a few eastcoast dickriders that hate on pac and for good reason...i mean how does it feel that pac being from the east and he reppin the west...its sad, the east tried to kill pac cause their jealousy of him and how the west came up and the east fell off....so keep on hating that means the west still on top of the east even in a recession...the whole east dickrides pac for the wrong reasons and they aint makin any money at it... ok 1st off u bitch nigga, ain't nobody hatin' on Pac. i know ur talkin about me bcuz of that dumbass shit u said about the East. Ain't nobody jealous of Pac and damn sure ain't nobody hatin' on Pac. But lets kick it real here 4 a second, if u were from Compton and Ghostface Killah was from Compton and he moved 2 NY for a record deal and to record an album and on tha whole album and all in the interviews and all on tha everything he repped the Mid-Atlantic or the East Coast u would b like this nigga's buggin'. We all love and respect Pac (all over the world we do) but just bcuz he's dead and he's an icon doesn't mean muthafuckaz aint gonna keep it 100 wen it's time (Spider). But Pac was a hoe 4 tha shit that he said/did, especially when he started tryna be a blood, that shit wasn't hot. U ain't really here shit about "westside" thuggin', im a kalifornia rydah, and all that other westside bs until he got wit DeathRow and was hangin' around Suge. Do ya research, before Suge u rarely caught Pac in red and throwin' up W's. All of a sudden when he gets outta jail it's WorldWideWestside nawty that nigga's trippin'. that's why he ain't come back 2 tha East like that, he knew muthafuckas was gonna eat him up out here (And for good reason). Pac was scared 2 come out 2 the East. Wasn't nobody jealous of Pac lol! wtf was there 2 b jealous about? Bcuz niggaz from anotha coast was finally gettin' some radio play or a few time slots on TV lmao!? ur buggin'... Real niggaz ain't bout no fakin', and Pac was clearly fakin' and shit got addressed (orlando anderson was from Ny). I wish it ain't go down like that niether, but don't expect niggaz 2 just let u shit on em. Jay dissed tha westside and has been out there fluently ever since, ain't nobody throwin shots at Jay... stop tryna syse (hyped) shit. real recognize real, and Pac was cleary violatin.Pac "king of the west" nooooo! Dre "king of the West" or Snoop "king of the west". Ice T is a better fit for the king of the west than Pac. i can't argue wit lil niggas about nonsense. ur wasting my time and everybody elses' who comes across this.« Last Edit: Yesterday at 11:20:00 PM by Kick 4rm 301 » Pac was reppin tha West Coast before he went 2 deathrow you Fuckin Idiot YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH and Jay-Z don't do shows in Cali he spooked