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i think Dre once stated that Suge put his name on The Chronic.
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on October 18, 2009, 04:58:27 AMi think Dre once stated that Suge put his name on The Chronic.Suge has always been the executive producer of "The Chronic." You can go back to the original 1st generation pressings of "The Chronic" and see "Executive Producer: Suge Knight" in the insert, which didn't have any track credits. On the re-issues by Death Row, Suge put his name on the back of the album too. But he has always been credited as the executive producer since day 1.When that album came out, Suge told Dre that in order to secure the deal with Interscope they are going to need an actual album to play to the executives at Time Warner (Interscope's parent). Dre created the masterpiece with the other artists (Snoop, RBX, D.O.C., Kurupt, Daz, Rage, etc.) and him and Suge selected the tracks together. Then Suge and Dre brought it to Jimmy Iovine and Ted Fields and they signed the biggest deal to promote Gangsta Rap in the history of hip hop. Iovine had huge ties to MTV so MTV became Death Row's biggest machine and even a lot of the MTV News updates revolved around Death Row Records.
But you gotta give him his due in the 90's he was a great owner and setup a $300 million dollar operation from nothing. Dre laid a bomb classic once he was free from Ruthless. Suge signed Kurupt and Warren G led Snoop to Dre.
i got the album and omg its so dope. my fave trak is Put It In Ya Mouth, lol snoop had a classic line on it:"she wasnt from america,i whooped out my dick and then baby spoke dinglish".majortiy of the traks are dope, only thing dissapointed with is doggystyle where the youtube quality was much better but otherwise great release, love it
Quote from: kuruptDPG on October 21, 2009, 07:28:01 AMi got the album and omg its so dope. my fave trak is Put It In Ya Mouth, lol snoop had a classic line on it:"she wasnt from america,i whooped out my dick and then baby spoke dinglish".majortiy of the traks are dope, only thing dissapointed with is doggystyle where the youtube quality was much better but otherwise great release, love iti think you meant to say that was a lame line.
Quote from: eNgIeS on October 17, 2009, 11:58:54 PMQuote from: Hack Wilson on October 17, 2009, 10:55:31 PMQuote from: eNgIeS on October 17, 2009, 10:12:05 PMQuote from: love33 on October 17, 2009, 05:15:05 PMQuoteThe only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyoneThis is all just speculation and I don't think you're being very objective at all. These albums may never have seen the day even if that was the case considering it's been 10 years and we still haven't seen "Detox." We wouldn't have had "All Eyez On Me" if Suge wasn't around, he executive produced (picked the tracks) and Pac didn't get along with Dre. It was Suge who put up the money to get Pac on the label and aggressively pursued him. These posts are mindless hating and just plain ignorant. You never would have had "Chronic 2000" or "2002" if that was the case too. If you want to criticize Suge for not releasing any artists albums post 2000, I think that's completely fair. But to single him out in the 90's when Death Row was priming and making money, is just unfair and ignorant. He also got Dre off his contract with Jerry Heller too so there wouldn't have been a "Chronic" album if that didn't happen.Suge did a few good things I agree, but his bad things outweighed the good. You can't hold charity dinners to front on the bullshit abuse of power and bullying he did. Plus he probably was involved in Biggie being killed, and he led 2Pac down a pathway into street violence that 2Pac wouldnt have been involved in if not for the influence of Suge.I still can't believe that people defend Suge. He's a an absolute asshole woman beating fraudulent scumbag that screwed up alot of lifes and careers.Suge is responsible for the Chronic, Doggystyle, All Eyez, Makaveli and several great music videosbut his music choices post-2pac are horribleand for the record, Napoleon and Big Syke both say Suge did not have anything to do with 2pac's death. i know that will be brought up if it hasn't already.Lol yes i'm sure Suge was every reason the Chronic was successfull. I wasn't the fact that Dr. Dre, of N.W.A. fame, was the title artist, producer & rapper on the album. It wasn't the assembly of artists and musicians who worked hours on end with Dre to make the album, it was alllllll Suge. Suge the former NFL wanna be turned wanna be piru and then eventually M.O.B. The most important man in the world.Suge may have not set 2Pac up for the hit, but he got 2Pac involved in a path that he didnt need to take. 2Pac had no reason, other than Suge, to be involved in M.O.B. and there beef with SSC, that led to 2Pac making the stupid decision to beat up Orlando Anderson. He didn;t pull the trigger but he set the events in motion (not that he should be entirely blamed). At least Dr. Dre figured what Suge was about, thus staying away from Death Row's usual studio until he's eventual departure in 1996. Snoop was smart enough to stay out of that shit too. Unfortunately Pac wasn'tThere wouldn't have even been a "Chronic" because Dre was under contract at Ruthless Records and locked in by Eazy-E. I agree Suge has done his own dirt just like anyone else has, but all these record label execs do the same type of thing as Suge, we just don't hear about it on the surface. I think it's fair to criticize some of his poor decisions, such as not releasing an active artists album post 2000, but to take away all his achievements and steal his accolades is not being fair minded and objective. "All Eyez On Me" wouldn't have sounded like "All Eyez On Me" had Suge not pursued the signing of Pac and sat with him in that studio for every track he recorded (Suge picked the tracks on that album and the content was all related on what was happening at the time). Dre wasn't releasing anythng and he didn't even get along with Tupac. If you change one event, it changes all the other events around it. Suge has done some dumb stuff no doubt. But you gotta give him his due in the 90's he was a great owner and setup a $300 million dollar operation from nothing. Dre laid a bomb classic once he was free from Ruthless. Suge signed Kurupt and Warren G led Snoop to Dre. Everything came together. But these albums don't exist in their true classic form if you change the events of time. I agree, I wanted Death Row to release so many more records that are sitting under someone's couch seats or in a shed somewhere and all we have is these low quality bootlegs, but what was meant to be happened. And we wouldn't have those classics if you switch things up. All Eyez On Me is my personal favorite album of all time. You can feel Death Row on that album come to life to this day better than any other album in the history of hip hop.
Quote from: Hack Wilson on October 17, 2009, 10:55:31 PMQuote from: eNgIeS on October 17, 2009, 10:12:05 PMQuote from: love33 on October 17, 2009, 05:15:05 PMQuoteThe only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyoneThis is all just speculation and I don't think you're being very objective at all. These albums may never have seen the day even if that was the case considering it's been 10 years and we still haven't seen "Detox." We wouldn't have had "All Eyez On Me" if Suge wasn't around, he executive produced (picked the tracks) and Pac didn't get along with Dre. It was Suge who put up the money to get Pac on the label and aggressively pursued him. These posts are mindless hating and just plain ignorant. You never would have had "Chronic 2000" or "2002" if that was the case too. If you want to criticize Suge for not releasing any artists albums post 2000, I think that's completely fair. But to single him out in the 90's when Death Row was priming and making money, is just unfair and ignorant. He also got Dre off his contract with Jerry Heller too so there wouldn't have been a "Chronic" album if that didn't happen.Suge did a few good things I agree, but his bad things outweighed the good. You can't hold charity dinners to front on the bullshit abuse of power and bullying he did. Plus he probably was involved in Biggie being killed, and he led 2Pac down a pathway into street violence that 2Pac wouldnt have been involved in if not for the influence of Suge.I still can't believe that people defend Suge. He's a an absolute asshole woman beating fraudulent scumbag that screwed up alot of lifes and careers.Suge is responsible for the Chronic, Doggystyle, All Eyez, Makaveli and several great music videosbut his music choices post-2pac are horribleand for the record, Napoleon and Big Syke both say Suge did not have anything to do with 2pac's death. i know that will be brought up if it hasn't already.Lol yes i'm sure Suge was every reason the Chronic was successfull. I wasn't the fact that Dr. Dre, of N.W.A. fame, was the title artist, producer & rapper on the album. It wasn't the assembly of artists and musicians who worked hours on end with Dre to make the album, it was alllllll Suge. Suge the former NFL wanna be turned wanna be piru and then eventually M.O.B. The most important man in the world.Suge may have not set 2Pac up for the hit, but he got 2Pac involved in a path that he didnt need to take. 2Pac had no reason, other than Suge, to be involved in M.O.B. and there beef with SSC, that led to 2Pac making the stupid decision to beat up Orlando Anderson. He didn;t pull the trigger but he set the events in motion (not that he should be entirely blamed). At least Dr. Dre figured what Suge was about, thus staying away from Death Row's usual studio until he's eventual departure in 1996. Snoop was smart enough to stay out of that shit too. Unfortunately Pac wasn't
Quote from: eNgIeS on October 17, 2009, 10:12:05 PMQuote from: love33 on October 17, 2009, 05:15:05 PMQuoteThe only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyoneThis is all just speculation and I don't think you're being very objective at all. These albums may never have seen the day even if that was the case considering it's been 10 years and we still haven't seen "Detox." We wouldn't have had "All Eyez On Me" if Suge wasn't around, he executive produced (picked the tracks) and Pac didn't get along with Dre. It was Suge who put up the money to get Pac on the label and aggressively pursued him. These posts are mindless hating and just plain ignorant. You never would have had "Chronic 2000" or "2002" if that was the case too. If you want to criticize Suge for not releasing any artists albums post 2000, I think that's completely fair. But to single him out in the 90's when Death Row was priming and making money, is just unfair and ignorant. He also got Dre off his contract with Jerry Heller too so there wouldn't have been a "Chronic" album if that didn't happen.Suge did a few good things I agree, but his bad things outweighed the good. You can't hold charity dinners to front on the bullshit abuse of power and bullying he did. Plus he probably was involved in Biggie being killed, and he led 2Pac down a pathway into street violence that 2Pac wouldnt have been involved in if not for the influence of Suge.I still can't believe that people defend Suge. He's a an absolute asshole woman beating fraudulent scumbag that screwed up alot of lifes and careers.Suge is responsible for the Chronic, Doggystyle, All Eyez, Makaveli and several great music videosbut his music choices post-2pac are horribleand for the record, Napoleon and Big Syke both say Suge did not have anything to do with 2pac's death. i know that will be brought up if it hasn't already.
Quote from: love33 on October 17, 2009, 05:15:05 PMQuoteThe only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyoneThis is all just speculation and I don't think you're being very objective at all. These albums may never have seen the day even if that was the case considering it's been 10 years and we still haven't seen "Detox." We wouldn't have had "All Eyez On Me" if Suge wasn't around, he executive produced (picked the tracks) and Pac didn't get along with Dre. It was Suge who put up the money to get Pac on the label and aggressively pursued him. These posts are mindless hating and just plain ignorant. You never would have had "Chronic 2000" or "2002" if that was the case too. If you want to criticize Suge for not releasing any artists albums post 2000, I think that's completely fair. But to single him out in the 90's when Death Row was priming and making money, is just unfair and ignorant. He also got Dre off his contract with Jerry Heller too so there wouldn't have been a "Chronic" album if that didn't happen.Suge did a few good things I agree, but his bad things outweighed the good. You can't hold charity dinners to front on the bullshit abuse of power and bullying he did. Plus he probably was involved in Biggie being killed, and he led 2Pac down a pathway into street violence that 2Pac wouldnt have been involved in if not for the influence of Suge.I still can't believe that people defend Suge. He's a an absolute asshole woman beating fraudulent scumbag that screwed up alot of lifes and careers.
QuoteThe only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyoneThis is all just speculation and I don't think you're being very objective at all. These albums may never have seen the day even if that was the case considering it's been 10 years and we still haven't seen "Detox." We wouldn't have had "All Eyez On Me" if Suge wasn't around, he executive produced (picked the tracks) and Pac didn't get along with Dre. It was Suge who put up the money to get Pac on the label and aggressively pursued him. These posts are mindless hating and just plain ignorant. You never would have had "Chronic 2000" or "2002" if that was the case too. If you want to criticize Suge for not releasing any artists albums post 2000, I think that's completely fair. But to single him out in the 90's when Death Row was priming and making money, is just unfair and ignorant. He also got Dre off his contract with Jerry Heller too so there wouldn't have been a "Chronic" album if that didn't happen.
The only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyone
Dre has always said he enjoyed working with Pac and at the time said how usually he had to get rappers to rerecord vocals where as Pac just came in and laid the vocals down perfect 1st time in. What soured the relationship was Suges influence over Pac, and coupled with Daz's lies (I produced this track Dre didnt) is what probably led to Pac not liking Dre and then dissing him with lies that Suge and Daz told him (no wonder Dre wont work with Daz again).