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Obama's Nobel Prize Unconstitutional?
Javier:
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--- Quote from: SPARETREALZZZZ on October 15, 2009, 01:28:03 PM ---With all the drama and shit we need to fix in this country people are worried about this bullshit. Ignant
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or even Michelle Obama establishing a task force on childhood obesity, and so much more.
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Why complain about that? The private sector has tried to make money off of diets, healthy living, etc but it still has very little effect on the overall status of the people especially the children. Healthier kids will also mean healthier pockets.
Plus there is a huge difference between policy and an award.
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Because, it's not the governments job to be deciding who's overweight and who isn't, and what kids should and shouldn't eat. This gay ass task force is going to sit around now and get paid by our tax dollars, to sit around and make research about what kids are eating and offer suggestions on how they can lose weight. Whatever happened to personal responsibility and personal choice? Isn't this supposed to be a free country where you are free to eat what you want and look how you want? Do we really need to pay (through taxes) the likes of McCain, Bush, Michelle Obama, (politicians) etc. to tell us what we should be eating and how much exercise we should do?
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It is the government's job to protect the people. It's gotten to the point that the corporation farmer that deals with meat can't be fucked with while the small farmer is completely fucked and doesn't exist anymore because it can't compete. Part of that protection is the lack of oversight and complete privatization of an industry. It goes both ways my friend, people will be screwed if the government is too involved or not involved enough.
Personal responsibility? Damn news reporters/journalists can't even tell the entire story without being censored by their daddies. So how is information going to be spread? Word of mouth in this information age? Puhhhlease. Once word of mouth gets up there, it gets corrupted quick.
Don't be so quick to judge a parent that works 2 jobs, and can't cook for their kid every damn day. Real hard choice when you can't cook, a $1 hamburger or $1 for a few damn carrots. Even worse when there is a shit load of fast food places in the poorest areas.
" Isn't this supposed to be a free country where you are free to eat what you want and look how you want?"
The big problem with this idea is that of course, you can eat whatever the fuck you want...but the tax payer is the one that ends up paying when a 30 year old is in the ER because of a heart attack due to a weight issue.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Javier on February 13, 2010, 03:00:32 AM ---
It is the government's job to protect the people.
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Have you ever read the constitution? The whole point of the constitution was to provide for an individual freedom to live one's life in a way that could not be threatened by the government nor the majority of society. It was never the governments job to protect the people except from a foreign invader, and a task force on health obviously doesn't qualify for that. What do you not understand about the constitution limiting the powers of government, and whatever was not directly mentioned in the Constitution was to be handled by the states!
And if you need people like Bush, Cheney, Kerry, Obama, McCain to protect you by telling you how much you need to exercise and what to eat then your beyond help anyway.
--- Quote from: Javier on February 13, 2010, 03:00:32 AM ---
It's gotten to the point that the corporation farmer that deals with meat can't be fucked with while the small farmer is completely fucked and doesn't exist anymore because it can't compete. Part of that protection is the lack of oversight and complete privatization of an industry.
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No, not quite. The problem in the farming industry is that the government subsidizes it, and therefore sets up an un-natural situation between the farmer and his customers. As long as people need food there is no reason the farmer would be out of a job.
--- Quote from: Javier on February 13, 2010, 03:00:32 AM ---
It goes both ways my friend, people will be screwed if the government is too involved or not involved enough.
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Wrong again. If a corporation screws you then you can stop doing business with them, if the government screws you and you try to stop doing business with them they will haul your ass off to prison. The only people that got fucked by Enron were the people that did business with them; I didn't get fucked by Enron. But I do get fucked by the government everytime they take my money in taxes and if I didn't pay that money they'd throw my ass in prison for tax evasion.
--- Quote from: Javier on February 13, 2010, 03:00:32 AM ---
Personal responsibility? Damn news reporters/journalists can't even tell the entire story without being censored by their daddies. So how is information going to be spread? Word of mouth in this information age? Puhhhlease. Once word of mouth gets up there, it gets corrupted quick.
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So your saying that people lack the proper information and therefore need the government to provide them with it? LMAO! Like when the government provided us with the vital information that Sadaam Hussien possessed nuclear weapons and was an imminent threat to our security? Or like how the goverrnment provides us with the vital information that marijauna is bad and evil but alcohol is okay?
--- Quote from: Javier on February 13, 2010, 03:00:32 AM ---
Don't be so quick to judge a parent that works 2 jobs, and can't cook for their kid every damn day. Real hard choice when you can't cook, a $1 hamburger or $1 for a few damn carrots. Even worse when there is a shit load of fast food places in the poorest areas.
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Maybe if the government didn't steal so much of our tax money or didn't regulate the shit out of small businesses people would have more money and wouldn't have to work 2 jobs. And McDonalds is not the problem, they offer salads and other healthy items on their menu but they have to sell what the people want. You can't be a business and not sell what your customers demand.
--- Quote from: Javier on February 13, 2010, 03:00:32 AM ---
The big problem with this idea is that of course, you can eat whatever the fuck you want...but the tax payer is the one that ends up paying when a 30 year old is in the ER because of a heart attack due to a weight issue.
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Well that's only because such unconstitional government programs as Medicaire and Medicaid have allowed for the government to rear it's ugly head into the field of health care, thus making it expensive and inneficient. I don't believe the government/tax money should pay for anyone's health care. The health care industry should be given to the free market, and then we'd be able to stop paying tax money for all these "Don't smoke, don't do drugs" adds that are on TV and never work anyway.
virtuoso:
No big deal really especially when you consider that shitting on the constitution has become a ritual to the power brokers.
Javier:
--- Quote from: Infinite... Be and It Is on February 13, 2010, 04:12:24 AM ---
--- Quote from: Javier on February 13, 2010, 03:00:32 AM ---
It is the government's job to protect the people.
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Have you ever read the constitution? The whole point of the constitution was to provide for an individual freedom to live one's life in a way that could not be threatened by the government nor the majority of society. It was never the governments job to protect the people except from a foreign invader, and a task force on health obviously doesn't qualify for that. What do you not understand about the constitution limiting the powers of government, and whatever was not directly mentioned in the Constitution was to be handled by the states!
And if you need people like Bush, Cheney, Kerry, Obama, McCain to protect you by telling you how much you need to exercise and what to eat then your beyond help anyway.
--- Quote from: Javier on February 13, 2010, 03:00:32 AM ---
It's gotten to the point that the corporation farmer that deals with meat can't be fucked with while the small farmer is completely fucked and doesn't exist anymore because it can't compete. Part of that protection is the lack of oversight and complete privatization of an industry.
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No, not quite. The problem in the farming industry is that the government subsidizes it, and therefore sets up an un-natural situation between the farmer and his customers. As long as people need food there is no reason the farmer would be out of a job.
--- Quote from: Javier on February 13, 2010, 03:00:32 AM ---
It goes both ways my friend, people will be screwed if the government is too involved or not involved enough.
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Wrong again. If a corporation screws you then you can stop doing business with them, if the government screws you and you try to stop doing business with them they will haul your ass off to prison. The only people that got fucked by Enron were the people that did business with them; I didn't get fucked by Enron. But I do get fucked by the government everytime they take my money in taxes and if I didn't pay that money they'd throw my ass in prison for tax evasion.
--- Quote from: Javier on February 13, 2010, 03:00:32 AM ---
Personal responsibility? Damn news reporters/journalists can't even tell the entire story without being censored by their daddies. So how is information going to be spread? Word of mouth in this information age? Puhhhlease. Once word of mouth gets up there, it gets corrupted quick.
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So your saying that people lack the proper information and therefore need the government to provide them with it? LMAO! Like when the government provided us with the vital information that Sadaam Hussien possessed nuclear weapons and was an imminent threat to our security? Or like how the goverrnment provides us with the vital information that marijauna is bad and evil but alcohol is okay?
--- Quote from: Javier on February 13, 2010, 03:00:32 AM ---
Don't be so quick to judge a parent that works 2 jobs, and can't cook for their kid every damn day. Real hard choice when you can't cook, a $1 hamburger or $1 for a few damn carrots. Even worse when there is a shit load of fast food places in the poorest areas.
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Maybe if the government didn't steal so much of our tax money or didn't regulate the shit out of small businesses people would have more money and wouldn't have to work 2 jobs. And McDonalds is not the problem, they offer salads and other healthy items on their menu but they have to sell what the people want. You can't be a business and not sell what your customers demand.
--- Quote from: Javier on February 13, 2010, 03:00:32 AM ---
The big problem with this idea is that of course, you can eat whatever the fuck you want...but the tax payer is the one that ends up paying when a 30 year old is in the ER because of a heart attack due to a weight issue.
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Well that's only because such unconstitional government programs as Medicaire and Medicaid have allowed for the government to rear it's ugly head into the field of health care, thus making it expensive and inneficient. I don't believe the government/tax money should pay for anyone's health care. The health care industry should be given to the free market, and then we'd be able to stop paying tax money for all these "Don't smoke, don't do drugs" adds that are on TV and never work anyway.
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1. Read the Federalist Papers, and understand that the Constitution wasn't intended to be set it stone.
2. "As long as people need food..." Yeah, and it's close to a fucking monopoly already. The consumer can't do SHIT about it. People try to sue, and they can't because they can't compete with the money corporations have. YES FREEDOM!
3. If a corporation legally fucks you with money, you can't do shit! You need to be as rich as them to fight a good case.
4. I didn't say the government should provide the information, a journal/newsreporter is a private worker. But really, unless it's PBS, any sort of reporting that damages the major media outlets it represents...it is thrown out the window.
5. Do you know how much a Salad costs at McDonalds compared to their Dollar Menu? Kids at school are taught about Black History Month, I wouldn't mind have better lectures on weight control.
6. Asking for the free market to fix everything, is an idealistic pov. You literally can't do that. You could be completely right, but it just can't be done realistically. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong, because this sort of policy won't fly.
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Sikotic™:
--- Quote from: Jae Bananas on February 12, 2010, 03:41:05 AM ---Neocons are living in an existential hell with this black motherfucker running their precious white christian nation.
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LOL I just spit out my water.
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