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Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??

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virtuoso:

If that's the case then why are there are countless examples of Jay-Z using masonic hand shakes?

Primo:
Do you know who else is really bad with freemason/luciferian symbolism? Lady Gaga.  She either is well read on occult subjects or her rise to fame was to display these symbols.

The Overfiend:

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If that's the case then why are there are countless examples of Jay-Z using masonic hand shakes?

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Maybe he is a formal Mason now. However it is ridiculous to look at his symbolism and just pin everything on Masonry as the influence and meaning because this ignores the nature of Masonic belief itself. I will explain: black people have their own connection to ancient Egypt regardless of Masonry (that is originally a white Western institution anyway). Masonry has traditionally taken a lot of its symbolism from ancient Egypt this is central to the Masonic adherence to universality as Osiris was arguably the first universal god for man (Ra didn't really care for humanity or human knowledge), and Osiris was martyred and scattered over the Earth. Despite the Western connection to ancient Egypt that has been facilitated with architecture in Western centers of power, independent of this black people have maintained their connection with ancient Egypt but this has usually not been recognized in mainstream culture, although the Masons may have always acknowledged the connection between black civilization and ancient Egypt through their adherence to universality: this is a view that has really been confined to black people personally and black fraternal underground groups. Especially considering these artist's backgrounds and where they are from (Harlem, the Bronx, Queens) there are a lot of black fraternal groups independent of the Masons that have their own symbols, historical lineages, and connection to ancient Egypt that influenced and still influence the black community. What I have found interesting (despite the obvious cultural differences) is the similarities between 5%ism and Freemasonry in terms of their approach to God and their cultural approach to dealing with 'knowledge' and 'truth'. Anyway...

As Masonry is culturally promoted as universal there is the possibility for it to encompass a lot of those including people with influences from 5%ism, etc (or wherever). This is where I think people's (and your) thinking about Masonry is flawed, it isn't a gang with a definite ideology that it holds over the exclusion of others; why? Because it promotes universality that is central to it's ethos, therefore it is a very loosely affiliated network with people of conflicting political views and from a range of vastly different backgrounds, influences, and walks of life.  What all this highlights is the use of universality as a powerful political tool and the issue over who uses it.

http://www.youtube.com/v/rhN6BMsAy-M&hl=en_US&fs=1&

Remember W.D. Fard Muhammad
The prophet that gave Elijah his knowledge
Elijah gave it to Malcolm
But on their way to the promise they ran into problems
And only through death they resolved it
From the Mosque to the school up in Harlem
'Cause Clarence X left started his own set
Gave a new breath of fresh air to the projects
With ah Supreme Arithmetic's
Young kings got hip to the devils tricks
But in '69 the God got hit
But you can still hear 'em when Poppa Wu parts his lips
And there was Dr. Malachi Z. York with deep thought
Called himself: "The Lamb" "The Nuwaubian" "Godly Men"
Built his own Egypt on the top of the sand
Then there's Yahweh Ben Yahweh, called down UFOs
All these men the U.S. know
It's like our mind deteriorated when drugs came in
And it took us back to the Cavemen

jeromechickenbone:

--- Quote from: Wykid  "1NER" on November 15, 2009, 07:08:05 PM ---
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should I sticky this

 ???

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this isnt a sticky worthy topic.

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your arms are too short to box w/ God

jeromechickenbone:

--- Quote from: M Dogg on November 15, 2009, 07:16:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: Wykid  "1NER" on November 15, 2009, 07:08:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on November 15, 2009, 06:13:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: 50 Gold 60 Platinum on November 15, 2009, 04:52:48 PM ---bbbbbump

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should I sticky this

 ???

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lol

this isnt a sticky worthy topic.

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I know... that's why I was confused it was even bumped.

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yes i see how it would be confusing

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