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Some Quotes Against Religion

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Trauma-san:
I guess yall just totally disregarded my post, oh well what do I expect.

Ant:
I like the point trauma made with some quotes.

However, in regards to abraham lincoln, the man was firstly a politician.  While he may have himself been an aethist if he was to come out and say that openly it would not reflect well on him.  Most of the quotes you gathered were from different addresses he gave.  Well he was president of a christian country, of course he must speak of the greatness of christianity at times.  Many aethists change later in life, therefore previous admissions of faith don't matter if a man dies an aethist.  His quotes in support of christianity don't prove anything in my eyes.  For instance I have a professor that would frequently praise religions because it was the right thing to do although he never believed in them.  Being president it was his duty to show respect towards another man's beliefs, and he did that.  

A well known leader cannot be aethist.  He would not be accepted, and he would be gaining nothing by openly admitting to it since most of the world lacks respect for aethism.  Therefore, too be famous and aethist is a difficult task except for philosophers.  


My favorite quote is from Freud who is a bit of an odd character but he makes a good point.   Re read it above, the others were just stuff i figured id post.


Infinite,  you don't respect those people so what?  How can you form a basis for your beliefs if the only people you respect are people that share them.  A lot of racists take pride in their racism and they find their support from other racists.  If you point out that other people believe differently they would answer the same as you.  "who cares i dont respect him anyways."  

In either event, I don't really care whether anyone here is aethist, muslim, christian, jewish, hindu.  I am bothered only by people that force their beliefs on another to that persons detriment.  Take for example Osama Bin Laden, many would say he has an impressive talent for motivating and forcing other people into his way of thinking.  When looked at more closely, the situation is quite different.  He does not have an amazing talent to shift another man's views to his way of thought, instead he simply targets misguided, lost individuals that are desperately searching for meaning in their lives and gives them a meaning that makes them feel important.  The men who serve bin laden are the same who fight in the streets of LA and claim blood or crip.  Religious people in all religions use this tactic to convert people to their beliefs.  Most people are converted to their religion at birth, hardly a fair time to force a belief on someone.  Religious converts that come later in life do so out of a need for belonging and a lack of place in the world.    This is a striking observation.


So finally, whether or not you respect freud it doesn't matter, this quote is difficult to argue against.  

"It would be very nice if there were a God who created the world and was a benevolent providence, and if there were a moral order in the universe and an after-life; but it is a very striking fact that all this is exactly as we are bound to wish it to be."

Trauma-san:
^^ Good points, but as far as Freud; it's just his opinion.  It's a statement, it could be argued against very easily by saying I disagree.  Freud was a genius, but we also know he wasn't always correct, so I'd take Lincoln or Einstein or Madison's word over his.  Peace~

Ant:
ya true freud was a bit of a weirdo

CharlieBrown:
Ant i don't mean to be a bitch but well known leaders can be athiests (though not in the US) as in the UK all of our Labour Prime Ministers were athiests until Tony Blair, who clearly doesn't know what it means to be christian.

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