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To truly repent?
The Overfiend:
--- Quote from: IRAN iz Gangsta! on November 13, 2009, 08:13:15 PM ---afghanistan is a fukked up country, since russia shitted on it last century, what do u expect? mix that commy shit with extreme islam and u get a sick society. they havent been educated and they have no way of finding out about anything else. so whateva they grow them thats how they turn out.
but they also have a good 20% of them that are educated and middle class...unfortunately most of them left the country years ago or they continue to leave. most of them who migrated to US, europe and other places are quite successful and some make good money. also there are millions of them in surrounding countries like iran, working mostly as workers, kinda like mexican immigrants in US
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I understand. Actually thats why I changed the thread title. Toned it down a lil'...It is not a fair representation of Afghani people.
Afghanistan's society is in bad shape..not just its security situation. Its pointless to point fingers at the country's faults. Without recognizing the positives as well.
A lot of things about their society are awesome. They live totally agrarian. And Afghanistan's countryside is dope...(environmentally and literally).
Its off the scale how much that country can make supplying the world and make whoever, the Taliban or the international coalition incredible guap. OFF THE SCALE.
Inconceivable guap. Its not even an issue of making money no more, the issue is WHO makes the money. You want the Taliban being the national supplier or the international coalition?
Develop some 21st century weaponry and smoke the assholes out. Fuck the Taliban.
We must lay the foundation for a respected government built upon popular support.
We have to encourage and socially-engineer a demos in Afghanistan: import heaps of video arcades, foreign beverages, music (especially), consumer goods, coca-cola, chewing gum, snacks! Food and stuff...until it becomes so pervasive and part of society that the Taliban can no longer stop it...
And most importantly: protect the people: they must begin to feel their security intertwined with the international coalition.
Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves.
And goodness - what God desires - [pointing at his head then heart] is here and here.
By what you decide to do every day, you will be a good man [smiles] or not.
-Hospitaller,
'Kingdom of Heaven'
virtuoso:
--- Quote from: Illuminati Clique on November 14, 2009, 06:18:03 AM ---
--- Quote from: IRAN iz Gangsta! on November 13, 2009, 08:13:15 PM ---afghanistan is a fukked up country, since russia shitted on it last century, what do u expect? mix that commy shit with extreme islam and u get a sick society. they havent been educated and they have no way of finding out about anything else. so whateva they grow them thats how they turn out.
but they also have a good 20% of them that are educated and middle class...unfortunately most of them left the country years ago or they continue to leave. most of them who migrated to US, europe and other places are quite successful and some make good money. also there are millions of them in surrounding countries like iran, working mostly as workers, kinda like mexican immigrants in US
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I understand. Actually thats why I changed the thread title. Toned it down a lil'...It is not a fair representation of Afghani people.
Afghanistan's society is in bad shape..not just its security situation. Its pointless to point fingers at the country's faults. Without recognizing the positives as well.
Needless to say they are probably worse off today than they were even back then, once again the west raping and pillaging, or should i say a handful of western interests raping and pillaging.
A lot of things about their society are awesome. They live totally agrarian. And Afghanistan's countryside is dope...(environmentally and literally).
Yep I agree with that although I don't think there is a lot of countryside per sa ;D
Its off the scale how much that country can make supplying the world and make whoever, the Taliban or the international coalition incredible guap. OFF THE SCALE.
Inconceivable guap. Its not even an issue of making money no more, the issue is WHO makes the money. You want the Taliban being the national supplier or the international coalition?
Actually that's a huge distortion as yields have increased over 1000% since the western drug dealers took over. It is a matter of morality because you can't say you want to look the other way while the west is fllooded in opium and then give some insignificant small time dealer 10 years in jail and indeed prosecute the drug takers to. The game is a rigged one and it's sick as fuck
Develop some 21st century weaponry and smoke the assholes out. Fuck the Taliban.
Fuck the Taliban, Fuck the western drug dealers and fuck the Northern Alliance
We must lay the foundation for a respected government built upon popular support.
These are just semantics you saw what happened when the palestinian elected Hamas, it's only respected if the said government is in the back pockets of their masters
We have to encourage and socially-engineer a demos in Afghanistan: import heaps of video arcades, foreign beverages, music (especially), consumer goods, coca-cola, chewing gum, snacks! Food and stuff...until it becomes so pervasive and part of society that the Taliban can no longer stop it...
Lol it's not just the Taliban
And most importantly: protect the people: they must begin to feel their security intertwined with the international coalition.
They don't give a flying fuck about these people, just another economy which they have hollowed out, like they have all over Europe to. This is about controlling the resources nothing more, and it's not in the interests of an occupier to protect the people, that's rule 101, you want to keep the people divided, undermine their own free will, plant huge bombs which then then see bigger reprisals.
Don't you remember the SAS men in Iraq dressed up like arabs? that is the norm unfortunately
Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves.
And goodness - what God desires - [pointing at his head then heart] is here and here.
By what you decide to do every day, you will be a good man [smiles] or not.
-Hospitaller,
'Kingdom of Heaven'
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The Overfiend:
For as long as it endures humanity will always hope and aspire, regardless of the rule of power.
You can afford to look at the world with an optimistic view every now and then; or else there is no clear way forward except always the negative direction. If we do not think about what we would like the future to be there is no direction; because without vision and dreams the negative status-quo simply remains.
virtuoso:
In that case the best thing we do collectively is demand complete withdrawal because these people are parasites and for as long as they are there, it's never going to be in their interests to do "the right thing"
The Overfiend:
The alternatives are terrible either way. Drug dealers are part of reality, its not like Western drug dealers are anything to be ashamed of, in a manner of speaking. The reality is even if the Taliban are there, they will continue to supply. Its not like either side will cut out the distribution or is a better distributor and will not flood the market so much, because that can simply change without control of the flow. At least this way we can choose who makes the money: which Afghan warlord gets the guap, instead of allowing the Taliban to take complete income. At least this way we can control and influence. In this day and age, nobody wants an organization like the Taliban clocking Afghanistan's income, not China, not the US, not Russia, not Australia.
Otherwise you are not realistically judging and weighing the evils against one-another; its simply juvenile to say 'fuck them all lets withdraw because the West is evil and so is the Taliban'. That point of view is frankly childish and does not realistically consider the alternatives. Its is also moronic and cliche to say 'these people don't care about the Afghani people'. The influence the military has is limited.The military can do little for the Afghan society without security and in a lot of ways even that has it's limits until Afghan society changes, but at least they have a chance to change this way.
The international coalition has been building heaps of stuff for the people there like mosques and schools to develop goodwill and 'win hearts and minds' but the people sadly dismantle the shit and steal the materials to renovate their own houses and to sell to each other.
This is why we need to change their thinking and win hearts and minds using different methods: asymmetric psychological warfare mutherfuckers. That is why we need to pound them with globalized culture: arcade games, porn, chewing gum, food items, basketballs, sport, music, block-buster movies, games, etc. Like what China is doing/has done with Tibet culturally, like the effect that the USA had on the Philippines after WWII. Until it is so pervasive the Taliban will realize that socially it is fighting a losing battle as globalized culture and social values begin to pervade throughout Afghani life. From there the people's thinking and psychology will increasingly change and they will begin to see a vision of the future without the Taliban and more intertwined with the international coalition.
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