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Evolution
QuietTruth:
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--- Quote from: QuietTruth on November 30, 2009, 08:06:57 PM ---Aight, Technical Timothy
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Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol
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:D
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--- Quote from: the ghost on November 30, 2009, 03:26:23 PM ---Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this. Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened". Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
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Real fuckin' got damn talk.
And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.
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no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.
also, monkey isn't the same as ape.
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Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??
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No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
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So who created the apes?
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Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.
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Looks like you're stumped. Aww, damn.
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I'm not the one who's stumped. Google the shit. it ain't my job to do your research for you. You shouldn't be involved in the conversation if you don't understand what's being discussed.
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You sound like a got damn broken record. Nigga please. I understand. You must just not understand my vocabulary. Mmmm k. I'm followin' youuuuuuuu Rapsodie, followin' youuuuuuuu, and not in that way so fallback. I'm followin' your conversation. What I'd like to know is how ev'rybody just skipped over M Dogg's post. Hmmm?? Why didn't nobody challenge what he said? Ah, maybe he just made a good point.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: rapsodie, the troll prince on December 01, 2009, 04:52:28 PM ---
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--- Quote from: Shallow on December 01, 2009, 03:23:11 PM ---That's wrong. Gravity and Evolution are not the same. You can use the scientific method to study gravity in a way you cannot for evolution. The math doesn't exist in the same way. A lot of evolution has to do with the best logical answer based on unseen history. Gravity has nothing to do with history. It is now and we can study it. I'm not saying certain things aren't currently evolving, but saying the human race was once homo erectus is based on faith, logical faith, but faith. Saying on two objects of different mass fall at the same rate is based complete on math and science, and certainty.
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wtf are you talking about? Homo Erectus is extinct.
Evolution is a fact. We have seen evolution occur.
And the theory part of it as it pertains to humans, has nothing to do with faith. Faith doesn't use evidence. There is overwhelming evidence to support that humans evolved from a more primitive ape-like species. That is the logical and most likely conclusion, not "faith."
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The fact that you say most likely proves that it is faith. That's what fact and proof are. You said most likely, there is no dispute, and the idea that something is most likely and not certain means it is faith. Thank you for arguing in my favor. Only when there is no doubt what so ever does faith cease to exist.
And of course faith uses evidence. Faith doesn't mean crazy Christians talking about men living in whales. It means believing in something that you aren't 100% sure of and cannot show to anyone to prove. If evolution were like gravity you could show it to all these nuts and convince them otherwise. But evolution, just like carbon dating is not as solid as gravity. That's my only point. I am not arguing for creationism or intelligent design.
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--- Quote ---Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.[1][2] The word "faith" can refer to a religion itself or to religion in general. As with "trust", faith involves a concept of future events or outcomes, and is used conversely for a belief "not resting on logical proof or material evidence."
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The theory of human evolution has an overwhelming amount of material evidence to support it. Faith has nothing to do with evidence. They are two completely different things and not comparable at all. The theory of human evolution relies on evidence and the logical conclusion from said evidence. Religion is based on absolute faith with absolutely no logical reasoning. How many times am I going to have to say this?
Evolution has been proven because we have witnessed it. Evolution is fact, just as much as gravity. You are confusing this with the theory of human evolution, which cannot have been witnessed because it happened over millions of years. Regardless of whether you are talking about evolution as a fact, or the theory of human evolution, neither are comparable to faith in the slightest.
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Of course I'm talking about human evolution. I'm well aware that evolution in general with certain species exists today. The word evolution is a broad umbrella, but humans evolving from primates what I'm talking about. Faith is also a big word. I'm not talking about religions or equating it to religion. I'm talking about faith the word as in what it means to believe in something rather than know for sure. Believing that two objects fall at the same rate and believing that humans evolved from whatever is not the same thing. Just admit it so we can move on.
C-BLUE:
What seperates people like me and rap from people like my nigga QT is faith. We can debate this till our fuccin heart stops. It won't do any good. It's been said a million times. FAITH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EVIDENCE. People who believe in god rely on faith. Science relies on evidence. That is it!. END THREAD
Triple OG Rapsodie:
--- Quote from: QuietTruth on December 01, 2009, 05:12:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: rapsodie, the troll prince on December 01, 2009, 12:25:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: QuietTruth on December 01, 2009, 09:48:01 AM ---
--- Quote from: rapsodie, the troll prince on December 01, 2009, 09:37:58 AM ---
--- Quote from: QuietTruth on December 01, 2009, 09:08:42 AM ---
--- Quote from: Adon on November 30, 2009, 09:58:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: QuietTruth on November 30, 2009, 08:06:57 PM ---Aight, Technical Timothy
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Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol
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:D
--- Quote from: rapsodie, the troll prince on December 01, 2009, 12:50:50 AM ---
--- Quote from: QuietTruth on November 30, 2009, 08:06:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: rapsodie, the troll prince on November 30, 2009, 06:14:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: QuietTruth on November 30, 2009, 05:24:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: the ghost on November 30, 2009, 03:26:23 PM ---Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this. Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened". Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
--- End quote ---
Real fuckin' got damn talk.
And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.
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no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.
also, monkey isn't the same as ape.
--- End quote ---
Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??
--- End quote ---
No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
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So who created the apes?
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Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.
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Looks like you're stumped. Aww, damn.
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I'm not the one who's stumped. Google the shit. it ain't my job to do your research for you. You shouldn't be involved in the conversation if you don't understand what's being discussed.
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You sound like a got damn broken record. Nigga please. I understand. You must just not understand my vocabulary. Mmmm k. I'm followin' youuuuuuuu Rapsodie, followin' youuuuuuuu, and not in that way so fallback. I'm followin' your conversation. What I'd like to know is how ev'rybody just skipped over M Dogg's post. Hmmm?? Why didn't nobody challenge what he said? Ah, maybe he just made a good point.
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If I sound like a broken record, its because you aren't listening. DO SOME RESEARCH.
your questions don't make any sense. Its not the vocabulary, its that you don't know what you're talking about. Who created the apes? You're the one who is saying they were created, not me. If you mean what apes evolved from, you can google an article about ape evolution and find out easily. You can't just come into a discussion and expect other people to explain to you what is being discussed.
What I want to know is how you can swear that we aren't related at all to apes, when you haven't even taken the time to do any research into the topic.
Triple OG Rapsodie:
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 01, 2009, 05:22:47 PM ---
--- Quote from: rapsodie, the troll prince on December 01, 2009, 04:52:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 01, 2009, 04:45:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: rapsodie, the troll prince on December 01, 2009, 04:11:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 01, 2009, 03:23:11 PM ---That's wrong. Gravity and Evolution are not the same. You can use the scientific method to study gravity in a way you cannot for evolution. The math doesn't exist in the same way. A lot of evolution has to do with the best logical answer based on unseen history. Gravity has nothing to do with history. It is now and we can study it. I'm not saying certain things aren't currently evolving, but saying the human race was once homo erectus is based on faith, logical faith, but faith. Saying on two objects of different mass fall at the same rate is based complete on math and science, and certainty.
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wtf are you talking about? Homo Erectus is extinct.
Evolution is a fact. We have seen evolution occur.
And the theory part of it as it pertains to humans, has nothing to do with faith. Faith doesn't use evidence. There is overwhelming evidence to support that humans evolved from a more primitive ape-like species. That is the logical and most likely conclusion, not "faith."
--- End quote ---
The fact that you say most likely proves that it is faith. That's what fact and proof are. You said most likely, there is no dispute, and the idea that something is most likely and not certain means it is faith. Thank you for arguing in my favor. Only when there is no doubt what so ever does faith cease to exist.
And of course faith uses evidence. Faith doesn't mean crazy Christians talking about men living in whales. It means believing in something that you aren't 100% sure of and cannot show to anyone to prove. If evolution were like gravity you could show it to all these nuts and convince them otherwise. But evolution, just like carbon dating is not as solid as gravity. That's my only point. I am not arguing for creationism or intelligent design.
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--- Quote ---Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.[1][2] The word "faith" can refer to a religion itself or to religion in general. As with "trust", faith involves a concept of future events or outcomes, and is used conversely for a belief "not resting on logical proof or material evidence."
--- End quote ---
The theory of human evolution has an overwhelming amount of material evidence to support it. Faith has nothing to do with evidence. They are two completely different things and not comparable at all. The theory of human evolution relies on evidence and the logical conclusion from said evidence. Religion is based on absolute faith with absolutely no logical reasoning. How many times am I going to have to say this?
Evolution has been proven because we have witnessed it. Evolution is fact, just as much as gravity. You are confusing this with the theory of human evolution, which cannot have been witnessed because it happened over millions of years. Regardless of whether you are talking about evolution as a fact, or the theory of human evolution, neither are comparable to faith in the slightest.
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Of course I'm talking about human evolution. I'm well aware that evolution in general with certain species exists today. The word evolution is a broad umbrella, but humans evolving from primates what I'm talking about. Faith is also a big word. I'm not talking about religions or equating it to religion. I'm talking about faith the word as in what it means to believe in something rather than know for sure. Believing that two objects fall at the same rate and believing that humans evolved from whatever is not the same thing. Just admit it so we can move on.
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Didn't I say in the beginning that it was a theory? That's why I keep calling it the theory of human evolution, is it not?
Try all you want to compare it, its not the same as faith. Faith has nothing to do with logic.
--- Quote from: C-BLUE on December 01, 2009, 05:25:03 PM ---What seperates people like me and rap from people like my nigga QT is faith. We can debate this till our fuccin heart stops. It won't do any good. It's been said a million times. FAITH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EVIDENCE. People who believe in god rely on faith. Science relies on evidence. That is it!. END THREAD
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