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Fraxxx:
You just don't understand... :grumpy:
Triple OG Rapsodie:
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 01, 2009, 05:53:57 PM ---Rap, let me say it again and I hope you understand me this time, faith with regards to religion has nothing to do with what I mean by faith. Faith and evidence go hand in hand. The very reason criminals take or don't take pleas is based on it. If you have video of a man committing a crime and his face, and voice are easily recognizable you have a guilty plea because there is no argument against the crime. If you have an eye witness, and a motive it still isn't the same as a video. It is still based on faith that what is logical is most likely. There was a man released from prison a few years ago here in Canada for the murder and abduction of a young girl. All the evidence, science, and logic, pointed to him. The jury had faith in it. Science changed. He was released. It was logical, it was evident, but it was wrong. Why was he put in jail? Because of faith. Faith in DNA testing. Faith in eye witnesses. None of them saw him kill the girl, but they believed he did. And all the logic agreed with it.
Faith occurs when you haven't seen it yourself. And in science or in law faith works out just fine most of the time, but it's still faith to some degree. I don't believe two objects of differing mass fall at the same rate. I see it, try it and know it. I don't see, try, and know, new species evolving from completely different species. I believe it. There is a difference. So stop equating human evolution to gravity.
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You seem to want to use the word faith in a way which isn't congruent with the way people use it. No one has ever used the word faith to describe something that has solid evidence behind it. I'm not going to play your game. Belief in logic and having faith in something are not the same. You can google faith vs. belief to learn the difference.
As far as species evolving from different species, that is fact. And I was equating evolution in general to gravity, because we know evolution occurs.
Triple OG Rapsodie:
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--- Quote from: QuietTruth on November 30, 2009, 08:06:57 PM ---Aight, Technical Timothy
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Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol
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:D
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--- Quote from: the ghost on November 30, 2009, 03:26:23 PM ---Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this. Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened". Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
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Real fuckin' got damn talk.
And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.
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no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.
also, monkey isn't the same as ape.
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Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??
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No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
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So who created the apes?
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Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.
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Looks like you're stumped. Aww, damn.
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I'm not the one who's stumped. Google the shit. it ain't my job to do your research for you. You shouldn't be involved in the conversation if you don't understand what's being discussed.
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You sound like a got damn broken record. Nigga please. I understand. You must just not understand my vocabulary. Mmmm k. I'm followin' youuuuuuuu Rapsodie, followin' youuuuuuuu, and not in that way so fallback. I'm followin' your conversation. What I'd like to know is how ev'rybody just skipped over M Dogg's post. Hmmm?? Why didn't nobody challenge what he said? Ah, maybe he just made a good point.
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If I sound like a broken record, its because you aren't listening. DO SOME RESEARCH.
your questions don't make any sense. Its not the vocabulary, its that you don't know what you're talking about. Who created the apes? You're the one who is saying they were created, not me. If you mean what apes evolved from, you can google an article about ape evolution and find out easily. You can't just come into a discussion and expect other people to explain to you what is being discussed.
What I want to know is how you can swear that we aren't related at all to apes, when you haven't even taken the time to do any research into the topic.
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I was simply replying to you with my 'who created apes'.
You said you believe in the theory that we and apes evolved from the same thang, and I'm askin' you, what created that thang? Shit just can't appear. So we formed from organisms? Well how did the organisms get here?
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I assume by this you essentially mean how did the universe start? There are various theories, I'm sure you know about them. None of them can be proven obviously. However, this doesn't help your argument in the slightest. If something hasn't been proven, that doesn't give you a good reason to come up with another illogical reason. You can ask the question how did life first start, but what in the world would lead you to conclude it was created by an all powerful deity? That's using the same logic as this:
--- Quote from: Fraxxx on December 02, 2009, 09:30:20 AM --- If I show some Amazonas people who are on stone age-level a TV they'll think it was magic.
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Look QT, you can believe whatever you want to believe, all I want you to admit is that you rely on absolute faith. Because you are arguing this like your belief is more logical, when obviously it isn't.
Sikotic™:
--- Quote from: Teddy Roosevelt on December 01, 2009, 11:50:37 AM ---
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--- Quote from: Sikotic on November 30, 2009, 04:58:47 PM ---People who try to turn evolution vs. creation into some kind of retarded east coast vs. west coast beef when the idea of evolution doesn't even support or hurt religion are even worse and should be treated accordingly.
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The first setence is outright harsh. What happened to "respecting other people's beliefs"? Should only religious believers be held to that standard? Props to you (for the second sentence) and MDogg for speaking the truth.
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The first sentence is not harsh. At least we could take a group of useless people and make them useful.
It's not about beliefs, its about facts. If I tell you the sky is blue, take you outside, point upwards at the blue sky and you say, "I dunno.......it could be red or yellow", then that would make you a fucking moron......by choice.
I'm all for respecting people's beliefs as long as it seems somewhat logical or as long as there isn't any concrete evidence against it. Somebody who is unwilling to accept proven fact usually will never do anything but burden you and me somehow.
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Just like it use to be a fact that the Earth was falt or that the Sun revolved around the Earth. :P Facts change, certainty is nonexistent.
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C'mon Ted. You're really gonna make a comparison of something people believed almost 700 years ago when we didn't have a fraction of the technology we have now. Not a fraction of understanding?
And certain civilizations understood the earth was round hundreds of years before Europe did.
QuietTruth:
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--- Quote from: Adon on November 30, 2009, 09:58:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: QuietTruth on November 30, 2009, 08:06:57 PM ---Aight, Technical Timothy
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Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol
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:D
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--- Quote from: QuietTruth on November 30, 2009, 08:06:57 PM ---
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--- Quote from: QuietTruth on November 30, 2009, 05:24:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: the ghost on November 30, 2009, 03:26:23 PM ---Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this. Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened". Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
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Real fuckin' got damn talk.
And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.
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no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.
also, monkey isn't the same as ape.
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Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??
--- End quote ---
No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
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So who created the apes?
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Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.
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Looks like you're stumped. Aww, damn.
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I'm not the one who's stumped. Google the shit. it ain't my job to do your research for you. You shouldn't be involved in the conversation if you don't understand what's being discussed.
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You sound like a got damn broken record. Nigga please. I understand. You must just not understand my vocabulary. Mmmm k. I'm followin' youuuuuuuu Rapsodie, followin' youuuuuuuu, and not in that way so fallback. I'm followin' your conversation. What I'd like to know is how ev'rybody just skipped over M Dogg's post. Hmmm?? Why didn't nobody challenge what he said? Ah, maybe he just made a good point.
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If I sound like a broken record, its because you aren't listening. DO SOME RESEARCH.
your questions don't make any sense. Its not the vocabulary, its that you don't know what you're talking about. Who created the apes? You're the one who is saying they were created, not me. If you mean what apes evolved from, you can google an article about ape evolution and find out easily. You can't just come into a discussion and expect other people to explain to you what is being discussed.
What I want to know is how you can swear that we aren't related at all to apes, when you haven't even taken the time to do any research into the topic.
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I was simply replying to you with my 'who created apes'.
You said you believe in the theory that we and apes evolved from the same thang, and I'm askin' you, what created that thang? Shit just can't appear. So we formed from organisms? Well how did the organisms get here?
--- End quote ---
I assume by this you essentially mean how did the universe start? There are various theories, I'm sure you know about them. None of them can be proven obviously. However, this doesn't help your argument in the slightest. If something hasn't been proven, that doesn't give you a good reason to come up with another illogical reason. You can ask the question how did life first start, but what in the world would lead you to conclude it was created by an all powerful deity? That's using the same logic as this:
--- Quote from: Fraxxx on December 02, 2009, 09:30:20 AM --- If I show some Amazonas people who are on stone age-level a TV they'll think it was magic.
--- End quote ---
Look QT, you can believe whatever you want to believe, all I want you to admit is that you rely on absolute faith. Because you are arguing this like your belief is more logical, when obviously it isn't.
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Well. At least you hearing me out. I think.
Okay I rely on my faith, but it's sensible faith, wit at the least, reasonable evidence. There's thangs in The Bible that corroborates our life, even the start of our life! Even in The Quran, there's shit corroborated by Science. It's not some book saying we were dropped outta the sky by some stork. It says we formed from dust off the ground. Now if you do just a little thinkin' maybe that could mean THAT organism that you think started us all. Who knows. See you believe man was started by chance, and I believe reason. And the logical motive for that? Becuz life just can't form by accident. And you know this. Don't you? It ain't like it's completely illogical to believe in God, like ya'll acting like. Let's be real.
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