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Quote from: Bosna Boi on December 19, 2009, 09:05:02 AMRakim's shit is weak, i mean last album i thought it was great, but i mean, nothing new brought to the table; nothing groundbreaking.
Rakim's shit is weak, i mean last album
damn u still havent logged off...ur hurting everyone with all this wack shit u drop, it hurts more then getting the swine fluQuote from: Laconic on March 16, 2010, 08:21:33 AMTue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:15 AM By: Ice CubeMe and Mack 10 together again? I never say never, but he has the kiss the ring first.Cubegbee:@ Petey: you sound like a broken record, time to grow up.
Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:15 AM By: Ice CubeMe and Mack 10 together again? I never say never, but he has the kiss the ring first.Cube
^oh, but i am objective, you just don't agree with that i say. EDIT: don't act like you don't come into every Eminem thread & give some sort of negative feed about him lol; always downsizing him & what-not.anyway, no one is hating on Rakim; people are just saying that his last album was great, but to consider it "classic" is out of the question.this is why guys like Bishop Lamont will never get a chance, because people like you belittle him to nothing when he is clearly one of the best up & coming guys. i would take The Reformation right now over a new Rae album, to want a third remake of OB4CL is ridiculous.
Rakim is the GOAT, imo. I don't think there will ever be a lyricist on Ra's level... EVER. The closest ever to come to his level would be Big Daddy Kane and Kool Mo Dee. Now in terms of an all around MC? That's highly debatable. There are lyricists... there are rappers... and there are MCs. And no, I did not graduate from KRS-ONE's Temple of Hip Hop
Quote from: Rebel on December 20, 2009, 11:39:04 AMRakim is the GOAT, imo. I don't think there will ever be a lyricist on Ra's level... EVER. The closest ever to come to his level would be Big Daddy Kane and Kool Mo Dee. Now in terms of an all around MC? That's highly debatable. There are lyricists... there are rappers... and there are MCs. And no, I did not graduate from KRS-ONE's Temple of Hip Hop how do you say Eminem is not one of the top lyricists ever? in his prime he was unreal.even the "GOAT" says so,
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on December 20, 2009, 12:01:22 PMQuote from: Rebel on December 20, 2009, 11:39:04 AMRakim is the GOAT, imo. I don't think there will ever be a lyricist on Ra's level... EVER. The closest ever to come to his level would be Big Daddy Kane and Kool Mo Dee. Now in terms of an all around MC? That's highly debatable. There are lyricists... there are rappers... and there are MCs. And no, I did not graduate from KRS-ONE's Temple of Hip Hop how do you say Eminem is not one of the top lyricists ever? in his prime he was unreal.even the "GOAT" says so, I never denied that. In fact, I made a point to clarify his greatness in Hip Hop in this very thread. Em is one of the best MCs of all time and I am definately a big Eminem fan... I'm just acknowledging that I believe Rakim is the greatest lyricist ever in Hip Hop. Why do you think history calls him the "God MC"?
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on December 20, 2009, 12:01:22 PMQuote from: Rebel on December 20, 2009, 11:39:04 AMRakim is the GOAT, imo. I don't think there will ever be a lyricist on Ra's level... EVER. The closest ever to come to his level would be Big Daddy Kane and Kool Mo Dee. Now in terms of an all around MC? That's highly debatable. There are lyricists... there are rappers... and there are MCs. And no, I did not graduate from KRS-ONE's Temple of Hip Hop how do you say Eminem is not one of the top lyricists ever? in his prime he was unreal.even the "GOAT" says so, that interviewer always annoyed me.
Rebel and get you walk on spit truth. Whether you like it or not, eminem will got down as one of the best to do it and for his earlier shit, its fair enough. im not the biggest sslp fan but its a dope dope debut album, especially for his white fans. MMLP imo will go down as his greatest and its a bangin album and then after that, its all kinda mixed. Eminem show wasnt for me, encore was one of the worst hiphop releases for a major act ever, i dont care how many times action will tell the world he loves it or how many posters bosnoi boy has of eminem, lets be fair, his one of the biggest eminem groupies going, dudes makes chamillionaire seem like an objective poster...i mean u hating on rakim for his last album not having the same fire as his previous shit and saying eminems better but u completely discarding the fact eminems last two albums have consisted of encore which is something rakim will never EVER put out an album as bad as and relapse which while eminems flow was on point at times, was lyrically horrible for much of the album and you could easily tell he was still suffering from writers block and all the other shit at the time. Even eminem said its not a dope album lol, or something of the sorts. Refills an EP, its okay...but lets see his next album.That being said, eminem when he gets his shit correct is near the best, he DEFINATELY is not the best, he can come the best at times, thats without doubt and he def has left a legacy for himself when he hangs up the mic but he aint the best, no chance of that.As for reakwon, cats calling him boring and then bumping bishop lamont? 50cent? banks? Ahhh some of the cats on here give me too much jokes. I wouldnt go as far as saying rae is better than eminem, but he can spit on a level and as for rakim, well, i dont even need to speak on him, dudes discovery speaks for himself.Eminem though y'all cant deny will go down as one of the best ever and fair enough, he done alot of dope shit and can be a monster at times, but he aint goin down as the best ever, thats fo sho imo, i still consider cats like nas above him and jigga while he might not be at a level with eminem on the mic, dudes easily more versatile, only snoop can possibly say he more versatile than jigga on the mic...luda possibly too, dudes a beast but his albums aint really held up for a minute now.All i gotta say about eminem is he'll go down as in the top ten or twenty within hiphop, at the end of the day, the effect he had for a white kid is huge, but he gets overhyped bu white kids for it but i wont deny he can be a beast, but he needs to step it up bigtime on relapse two imo. Not an album full of stupid shit, lets see some dope motherfuckin songs, you aint a kid nomore, show some fucking growth in the music man. He did say his working on making classics on his next album rather than just spitting shit, so we could be in for something dope. He got just blaze in there with him, so that could give him a fresh angle, we'll see. I think judging by his verses on forever and the lil wayne joint, im liking the aggressive flow in it but he sounds comfortable at the moment spittin it whereas before he was mumbling alot of shit, didnt seem right. Could be a good omen, we'll see.pz
good points im not sayin em is wack but hell never be on rakims level everim sayin raekwon is better and doper than em is, but em can rap jus not the best and never has but the mtvs have overhyped him ill take dope bishop traxx over eminem at his bestwhat holds em together for the main part is the production he is provided with, otherwise would he be as dope? dont think sobut rakim, bishop, raekwon and others are dope even with wack productioni mean if big daddy kane put some bomb muzik together hed kill emface, and others em be nobody
Quote from: GET YOUR WALK ON on December 20, 2009, 05:18:08 PMgood points im not sayin em is wack but hell never be on rakims level everim sayin raekwon is better and doper than em is, but em can rap jus not the best and never has but the mtvs have overhyped him ill take dope bishop traxx over eminem at his bestwhat holds em together for the main part is the production he is provided with, otherwise would he be as dope? dont think sobut rakim, bishop, raekwon and others are dope even with wack productioni mean if big daddy kane put some bomb muzik together hed kill emface, and others em be nobodyWassup, man?I have to respectfully disagree with a couple of those points. As far as production and Eminem, Em never really had great production. His earlier materiel was over very simple beats. Why it was so accepted was because most people liked Em then, Em was fresh, hungry and shockingly entertaining. The Dre beats, in particular, that Em rhymes over now is far more complex and "thumpy" than anything he ever did for Em back in the day. The only difference is, is that Em doesn't spit like he used to. As for MTV hyping him... well I believe it was well deserved. When Em first came out he brought a storm of creativity and entertainment unlike anything before. I think fans just naturally root for the underdog. When someone is on top for so long, people become far more nitpicky and critical of the artist and look for any possible reason to jump the "he is overated, he's so wack now, he only appeals to white people" bandwagon. Some people just got tired of everyone loving or talking about Em all the time. But that is an argument dealing with fans and media, not the skill of the artist.The problem is when you get many young listeners who became Eminem fans without any knowledge of the Rakims, Kanes, KRS'...etc. They thing Em is the GOAT but don't know the revolutionary impact of say... "Paid in Full" or "36 Chambers".But of course, this is all my opinion... and I definately respect yours.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on December 20, 2009, 08:44:26 AM^oh, but i am objective, you just don't agree with that i say. EDIT: don't act like you don't come into every Eminem thread & give some sort of negative feed about him lol; always downsizing him & what-not.anyway, no one is hating on Rakim; people are just saying that his last album was great, but to consider it "classic" is out of the question.this is why guys like Bishop Lamont will never get a chance, because people like you belittle him to nothing when he is clearly one of the best up & coming guys. i would take The Reformation right now over a new Rae album, to want a third remake of OB4CL is ridiculous.oh we def don't agree on much, luckily but we do both think cham is on some next shit so we good there as for eminem, im pretty sure i just gave him his props for his verse on the joint with lil wayne just in another eminem thread and just in here i gave him his props for his verse on forever, his older shit and called him one of the best to do it...selective attention much? yes i said some critical stuff too but eminem fans catch feelings to quick when it comes to the 'great white hope' lol...As for bishop lamont...up n coming? dudes past 30, he is way past up n coming and not given a chance? dude dropped a first single which had dre production on it, was funded for many mixtapes such a confessional etc...not given a chance? most niggaz would have given an arm to be in the situation he was in, get the fuck outta here with that bullshit...in the end, u gotta make some sorta appeal to, thus far he aint. I aint even hating on bishop, im just saying, how u gonna diss rae than be loving some banks bullshit and bishop shit..i wasnt being critical of them, i was jus saying rae done had a career, banks aint done shit, his albums were both average and and bishop aint done nothin past a mixtape.