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100,000+ protesting in Copenhagen?
jeromechickenbone:
--- Quote from: Illuminati Clique on December 14, 2009, 12:37:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: 50 Gold 60 Platinum on December 13, 2009, 09:32:50 AM ---
--- Quote from: Illuminati Clique on December 13, 2009, 03:11:09 AM ---You do realize that the protesters are demanding that the heads of state meeting in Copenhagen commit their countries to binding treaties to cut and cap greenhouse gas emissions?
They are not protesting that global warming is false or that it isn't man-made. :)
They are actually protesting for the Copenhagen conference to be successful and demanding that the proposed caps be higher than what has officially been proposed.
http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/europe/12dec09-copenhagen-protests-79121382.html
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Sure, but there are many people that are protesting because the science reported was proven fraudulent.
Al Gore is shitting his pants, he gets harassed everywhere he goes since climategate came out.
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Probably, although the reason you made this thread was to highlight the protests in Copenhagen and the supposed media blackout on them....
The majority of the world wants an international binding treaty on greenhouse gases, this week theres been protests all around the world in favor. The masses have spoken, maybe on what they do not entirely know or understand, but they have still spoken.
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lol, how do you know what my reasoning was? I just had no idea about it and made a joke that all i was seeing was with Tiger Woods.
They have spoken so loudly that things have been postponed, lol.
jeromechickenbone:
--- Quote from: Illuminati Clique on December 14, 2009, 02:30:32 AM ---If climate change is a hoax, the world's nations seem to believe it. Otherwise why would nations deliberately handicap their own industry and economies?
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Uh, have you read how developing nations are opposing it?
Who said climate change was a hoax? What I've said on the subject is that CRU has been proven to have lied, skewed, and all out falsified information which is proven through thousands of hacked emails.
virtuoso:
Supposing everyone was in full support of this global warming phenomenon which truly was the worst the world had ever seen, that all of the work of the scientists had the utmost integrity, that there were no flaws, that all of the maths added up, what you have through the UN treaty is a global goverance agreement which will monitor and regulate every facet of the economy. So when you look at what their stated long term goals are, the only possible way this comes about is by destroying the economy of the west.
The Overfiend:
--- Quote from: 50 Gold 60 Platinum on December 15, 2009, 10:37:51 AM ---
--- Quote from: Illuminati Clique on December 14, 2009, 02:30:32 AM ---If climate change is a hoax, the world's nations seem to believe it. Otherwise why would nations deliberately handicap their own industry and economies?
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Uh, have you read how developing nations are opposing it?
Who said climate change was a hoax? What I've said on the subject is that CRU has been proven to have lied, skewed, and all out falsified information which is proven through thousands of hacked emails.
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Uh, what do you mean by 'it'? They are opposing what?
The underdeveloped nations are not opposing an international treaty on emissions caps on the basis that the science is false, they are currently failing to reach an agreement because they want lower caps than the developed nations like with Kyoto, they want a continuation of Kyoto, rather than a new treaty cap system the same for all countries, because they feel developed countries owe them that.
--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 15, 2009, 11:28:55 AM ---
Supposing everyone was in full support of this global warming phenomenon which truly was the worst the world had ever seen, that all of the work of the scientists had the utmost integrity, that there were no flaws, that all of the maths added up, what you have through the UN treaty is a global governance agreement which will monitor and regulate every facet of the economy. So when you look at what their stated long term goals are, the only possible way this comes about is by destroying the economy of the west.
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Yeah but global governance will never be as air-tight or as straight forward as you portray, it is ever emerging but it is shakey and often than not gives way to state-centric desires. Just about all international treaties have a body established to monitor its implementation, but for example the IAEA can be duped and ignored just as we have seen with Iraq and the non-existent WMDs, it will be the same with this international treaty if it ever materializes, there will be loop-holes and state-centric desires to undermine it.
I liked the movie Quantum of Solace because, IMO, it rightly portrayed a fragmented state-centric international order of the future fighting over dwindling resources. In comparison a co-operative order of global governance based on (in the great words of Bush Snr) 'the rule of law, not the rule of the jungle' is sadly just an ideal.
The aim isn't to destroy the West's economy with emissions caps, although yes it will slow it down: the aim is to change industry not destroy it. Maybe it is for the oligarchs in your lucid nightmares but I am not those men,I am Saladin.
M Dogg™:
I just will say this, to deny global warming is to say the world is flat, and to think we as humans can't at least help in slowing down global warming, is to be just retarded. The End.
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