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Shallow:
The magic is gone now. They can still win in the playoffs but they won't have that swagger going in. When Folk missed that kick I bet they thought God was on their side and they'd go the whole way. I think this loss could take Brees out of the MVP race. If Indy wins out then Peyton has to win it. If they don't then Chris Johnson might end up squeezing in.
Deion said that the only two names he'd even consider are Brees and Johnson. He said that Peyton not completing that 3rd to ice the game is the reason Manning's out. He also once blamed a kick off return TD last year against the Pats on Tom Brady not being there.
Lunatic:
Manning has thrown too many INTs lately and his recent performances have been pretty shaky. The MVP is a no brainer imo but I know a QB will get it ::)
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Lunatic on December 19, 2009, 08:48:31 PM ---Manning has thrown too many INTs lately and his recent performances have been pretty shaky. The MVP is a no brainer imo but I know a QB will get it ::)
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Only a few of those INTs were bad throws. Here is the no brainer question; who is the player that if the team lost him or didn't have him they would suffer the most? Call me bias if you want but how is that not Peyton Manning? I'd bet that if Manning wasn't on the Colts they'd be 1-5 in the division, losing both games to Jack and Hou and splitting with Tenn. They'd also lose to Miami, New England, and Baltimore at least. So no Manning and Indy would in all likelihood be 6-8 right now instead of 14-0. Now I'm not saying Manning himself is winning games, or that another elite QB thrown on that team would still be 6-8. Brees, Favre, Brady even, McNabb, or whoever would probably still make the Colts AFC South winners. But the question for MVP in my opinion is who is the most valuable single player to a team. What single player is the most responsible for that team winning games? This isn't baseball where a player can hit .1000 and 80 HRs and still be on a losing team. Peyton is first in yards, first in TDs, and his team has the best record. It's a no brainer. Even Brady who I hate as you all know deserved MVP in 07 by my marker. I argued for a dual MVP for Moss as well but I never said Brady shouldn't have it. Favre was a close second and could be argued with them as far as value to those team wins.
Lunatic:
I understand all that, but #s wise, it's a no brainer.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Lunatic on December 19, 2009, 09:13:25 PM ---I understand all that, but #s wise, it's a no brainer.
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As a Titans fan who would you rather have on your team this season, CJ or Manning? What do you think you're record would be if Peyton Manning was starting in Tennessee from week 1 with Lendale White getting most of the touches? Keep in mind that Austin Collie has more TD catches than anyone on your team. And Collie, Garcon, and Addai have more TD catches than your whole team. Johnson has a lot of yards, but not so many TDs and he absolutely has to break the record for me to even consider him for a tie. The only way in my mind Johnson wins it outright over Manning is if he breaks the record and Manning stinks it up the next two game and they finished 14-2.
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