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Who is Worse? Hitler or Bin Laden???
closetothalimit:
--- Quote from: Maestro~Minded on November 25, 2002, 04:05:34 PM ---
you need to get your facts right...
01. Hitler definatly knew about the camps. As matter fact, he did spare the life of one jew, who happened to be the doctor of his mother. He was planning sending him too, but his mother begged him so spare his life.
02. Hitler was the one who approved all commands.
03. Hitler was no partiot, he wasnt native german, he wasnt arian (he was 1/4 jew). Basicly he represented everyting he was against. Theres even evidence that Hitler was gay.
4. Hitler was never a great leader. He only managed to defeat 2 countries. Poland who defended themselfs with horses and france, wich actually wasnt a defeat, He did manage to counquer important cities, but the battle was far from finished
90% of your post is incorrect, but i dont have the time to analyze the whole shit
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thats fuckin bullshit, as i just posted above if he was killed before world war 2, hitler would have been one of the greatest german leaders ever. he needed to have some of the best leadership skills he could have to commit a crime like genocide, if hitler or citizens knew.
i mean besides for Nostromoo have any of you actually studied nazi germany?
it is actually a great historical debate whether or not hitler knew, there are no facts in history, its all just someone's intepretation.
as for hitler being gay, where is this evidence? there is no solid evidence, you know what you would need to prove this. finding Hitler's sperm in a guy's ass, otherwise its really just all hearsay. hitler was not a jew, he wasnt a german either he was from austria (which did eventually come part of greater germany) but he wasnt a jew.
and as for only conquering two countries do you understand how badly the allies asses were being kicked in the first half of the war? and if he sucked so hard as a leader how did germany, a country not even ready for war on Sept. 1 1939, last until 1945? if hitler did go insane and took his time, he could very well have won the europe side of ww2.
it sounds like you got all your history "facts" from a fast food table mat. and trust me when i say there are no true historical facts like the ones u try and say, id quote from John Warren's book History and the Historians but im too tired.
Nostromoo:
--- Quote from: Maestro~Minded on November 25, 2002, 04:05:34 PM ---
you need to get your facts right...
01. Hitler definatly knew about the camps. As matter fact, he did spare the life of one jew, who happened to be the doctor of his mother. He was planning sending him too, but his mother begged him so spare his life.
02. Hitler was the one who approved all commands.
03. Hitler was no partiot, he wasnt native german, he wasnt arian (he was 1/4 jew). Basicly he represented everyting he was against. Theres even evidence that Hitler was gay.
4. Hitler was never a great leader. He only managed to defeat 2 countries. Poland who defended themselfs with horses and france, wich actually wasnt a defeat, He did manage to counquer important cities, but the battle was far from finished
90% of your post is incorrect, but i dont have the time to analyze the whole shit
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1. I note you just use the word "camps". There were many camps though out Germany occupied by prisoners. Only some of them were involved with the systematic eradication of people. Most of the camps were just work camps where people were forced to work in war factories, and on military projects. Like the sort of thing Albert Speer was involved in. Hitler obviously knew about them because Speer personally spoke with him (given in evidence at the Nuremberg trials) about improving the conditions for the workers as too many were ill and dying and he could get the work he needed done. But forcing people to work as slaves is not the same as marching them into rooms and gassing them. Only one shows intent.
You say "Hitler definitely knew." So do you know this for a fact? You're wrong about Hitler's mother. She died in 1907 when Hitler was 18. So what, she spoke to Hitler from beyond the grave and begged him to spare the life of some Doctor?
2. And you have copies of all of the orders with his signature on them? Or you spoke to him and he told you all of this before he died? Just because he was ultimately in power doesn't mean that he has to approve all of the commands. That's what delegation is for.
3. Hitler wasn't Aryan. You're right. But neither were most of his soldiers. And he wasn't born in Germany, it was just over the border in Austria. So that means he can't love Germany?
4. Yep, you're right, just two countries. There was PolandCheckoslovakiaGreeceYugoslaviaScicly and FranceBelgiumNorwayLuxembourgHolland. And you're right France wasn't a real defeat. I bet Hitler was pleased when they surrendered because he was getting really worried about continuing to fight them. And only half of the Soviet Union so that doesn't count for anything. Luckily he didn't do it now then he could have claimed Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, Slovenia, Bosnia etc. etc. etc.
Look, I'm not trying to say Hitler was innocent. I'm just saying that History is written by the victors and to be honest we don't really know what happened. It was over 50 years ago and most of the people around at the time are dead. Like I said in my first post, maybe he was involved up to his eyeballs. But maybe he wasn't. I refuse to demonise someone without unequivocal evidence of guilt. And that just hasn't been found.
I get away with all sorts of crap at work and my boss doesn't know anything. If he ever asks me anything I just lie and he's none the wiser. My boss has enough to do without personally investigating everything himself so he's happy if I just tell him whatever I like. How's he going to know I'm lying? It's easy to do.
Maestro Minded:
--- Quote from: Nostromoo on December 01, 2002, 01:49:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: Maestro~Minded on November 25, 2002, 04:05:34 PM ---
you need to get your facts right...
01. Hitler definatly knew about the camps. As matter fact, he did spare the life of one jew, who happened to be the doctor of his mother. He was planning sending him too, but his mother begged him so spare his life.
02. Hitler was the one who approved all commands.
03. Hitler was no partiot, he wasnt native german, he wasnt arian (he was 1/4 jew). Basicly he represented everyting he was against. Theres even evidence that Hitler was gay.
4. Hitler was never a great leader. He only managed to defeat 2 countries. Poland who defended themselfs with horses and france, wich actually wasnt a defeat, He did manage to counquer important cities, but the battle was far from finished
90% of your post is incorrect, but i dont have the time to analyze the whole shit
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1. I note you just use the word "camps". There were many camps though out Germany occupied by prisoners. Only some of them were involved with the systematic eradication of people. Most of the camps were just work camps where people were forced to work in war factories, and on military projects. Like the sort of thing Albert Speer was involved in. Hitler obviously knew about them because Speer personally spoke with him (given in evidence at the Nuremberg trials) about improving the conditions for the workers as too many were ill and dying and he could get the work he needed done. But forcing people to work as slaves is not the same as marching them into rooms and gassing them. Only one shows intent.
You say "Hitler definitely knew." So do you know this for a fact? You're wrong about Hitler's mother. She died in 1907 when Hitler was 18. So what, she spoke to Hitler from beyond the grave and begged him to spare the life of some Doctor?
2. And you have copies of all of the orders with his signature on them? Or you spoke to him and he told you all of this before he died? Just because he was ultimately in power doesn't mean that he has to approve all of the commands. That's what delegation is for.
3. Hitler wasn't Aryan. You're right. But neither were most of his soldiers. And he wasn't born in Germany, it was just over the border in Austria. So that means he can't love Germany?
4. Yep, you're right, just two countries. There was PolandCheckoslovakiaGreeceYugoslaviaScicly and FranceBelgiumNorwayLuxembourgHolland. And you're right France wasn't a real defeat. I bet Hitler was pleased when they surrendered because he was getting really worried about continuing to fight them. And only half of the Soviet Union so that doesn't count for anything. Luckily he didn't do it now then he could have claimed Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, Slovenia, Bosnia etc. etc. etc.
Look, I'm not trying to say Hitler was innocent. I'm just saying that History is written by the victors and to be honest we don't really know what happened. It was over 50 years ago and most of the people around at the time are dead. Like I said in my first post, maybe he was involved up to his eyeballs. But maybe he wasn't. I refuse to demonise someone without unequivocal evidence of guilt. And that just hasn't been found.
I get away with all sorts of crap at work and my boss doesn't know anything. If he ever asks me anything I just lie and he's none the wiser. My boss has enough to do without personally investigating everything himself so he's happy if I just tell him whatever I like. How's he going to know I'm lying? It's easy to do.
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i can smash every statement you have.. and i will but not right now...
btw... my bad.. i ment hitlers grandmother.... not his mother
and yea.. i take back my 4:th point... my bad there... but everything else i wrote is true
Alex:
George Bush is more evil than both
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