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morbidenigma:
now this isn't no character assassination, but is it true the prophet(PBUH) married Aisha when she was 6 years old and consumated their marriage when she was 9 years old ?

Ii asked someone who knows more about Islamic history then myself and he told me the prophet(PBUH) consummated their marriage when she was between 9-12 and it was justifiable. He gave the justification that it was a normal part of Arab 'Lifestyle' at that time.   Having sex with a 9-12 year would be seen as immoral, unethical, illegal and vulgar practice in 2010, so clearly the Islam at the time was based on the way people lived back then.

Now if you go by the example i've given in the vast difference between now and should it be realistic that Islam should be 100% applied the same way as it was back then ? If you look at it objectively, no one can deny (however you want to spin it or twist it)that a lot of Islam is based on the culture and lifestyles of people living in Mecca at that time. For example the fasting guidelines and how men were solely responsible for supporting their families financially, which i will will elaborate on below.

1) Fasting guidelines were implemented on the fact that Meccans were traders who  basically worked when they chose to, the equivalent of what you'd call self employed in this day and age. Also it was normal(even now for many) at the time for Meccans to sleep 5-6 hours a day in the hot weather, normally during the period between Fajr-Zuhr, Zuhr-Asr, Asr-Maghrib. Now should there be the same fasting guidelines for Muslims who live in much different working and environmental lifestyles to that of Mecca 1400 years ago ?

2) The instruction on men supporting their families were based on the fact that Mecca was full of rich merchants who could easily support their family financially without the need for women and children having to go out to work. Now we all know in the real world unless your last name is Hilton the chances are that you will have to go out work.

THETRUTHUG:
heres a lil video about the marriage with Aisha

The Overfiend:
Let me get my theological bang on. IMO,


Muhammad was a reformer.


Although he worked with what immediately faced him at the time, he intended for Islam to change, evolve and adapt with the times as human customs and thinking evolves.



The problem with Islam today is that the gates of itijihad have been thrown shut...


And the gates of itijihad are only open in countries where religious freedom reigns.


Originally, that is, the O.G Islam was intended to be open to interpretation and was a lot more personal and not as rigid as it is today. It has become stagnant the same way Catholicism stagnated Jesus's movement when it codified and corporatized it.


It is inevitable that in the coming century a sort of reformation of Islamic thought will take place as muslims reject the shopping holiday that has become the Hajj, and likewise the rigid fundamentalist interpretations of the Islamist extremists and the oligarchial Arab-centricism...then individual muslims will throw open the gates of itijihad and begin a flourishing of new Islamic sects and thought.

TraceOneInfinite:

--- Quote from: Illuminati Clique on January 11, 2010, 03:49:40 AM ---Let me get my theological bang on. IMO,


Muhammad was a reformer.


Although he worked with what immediately faced him at the time, he intended for Islam to change, evolve and adapt with the times as human customs and thinking evolves.



The problem with Islam today is that the gates of itijihad have been thrown shut...


And the gates of itijihad are only open in countries where religious freedom reigns.


Originally, that is, the O.G Islam was intended to be open to interpretation and was a lot more personal and not as rigid as it is today. It has become stagnant the same way Catholicism stagnated Jesus's movement when it codified and corporatized it.


It is inevitable that in the coming century a sort of reformation of Islamic thought will take place as muslims reject the shopping holiday that has become the Hajj, and likewise the rigid fundamentalist interpretations of the Islamist extremists and the oligarchial Arab-centricism...then individual muslims will throw open the gates of itijihad and begin a flourishing of new Islamic sects and thought.


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Nice post.  Yes, if you notice the Qu'ran is ambiguous, while the Shariah and traditional Sunni sects can be rigid.  The 4 major Sunni scholars formulated their jurisprudence around 100-200 years after the Prophet Muhammad had passed away.  Scholars are jealous in gaining followers and having their rulings respected and accepted.  Also, like you said it can get codified by the state much the way it did under the Abbassids in 9th century Baghdad.  

Still, I don't know why you disrespected Hajj as being a shopping holiday?  Have you been to Hajj?   Because I have been to Hajj and that is a gross characterization to call it a shopping holiday.  In fact, the Qu'ran does not restrain people from engaging in business while in Mekkah, many people pay their way to Hajj and feed their families by work and trading in Mekkah and Medina.  I didn't see it as being any distraction, or taking away from the struggle and sacrifice of Hajj.  It's not like Mekkah is Paris or New York or anything, it is still very humble and earnest.

...also, as a side note, if you notice the Qu'ran says the Hajj is for the sacred monthS.  Notice the (S) makes it plural.  Their were 4 sacred months, and I personally believe that the original intent was never to insist that everybody had to go at the same time of the year during the month of Thul-Hijjah.

2:197

Hajj shall be observed in the specified months. Whoever sets out to observe Hajj shall refrain from sexual intercourse, misconduct, and arguments throughout Hajj. Whatever good you do, GOD is fully aware thereof. As you prepare your provisions for the journey, the best provision is righteousness. You shall observe Me, O you who possess intelligence.

TraceOneInfinite:

--- Quote from: Momo on January 08, 2010, 06:58:53 PM ---now this isn't no character assassination, but is it true the prophet(PBUH) married Aisha when she was 6 years old and consumated their marriage when she was 9 years old ?

Ii asked someone who knows more about Islamic history then myself and he told me the prophet(PBUH) consummated their marriage when she was between 9-12 and it was justifiable. He gave the justification that it was a normal part of Arab 'Lifestyle' at that time.   Having sex with a 9-12 year would be seen as immoral, unethical, illegal and vulgar practice in 2010, so clearly the Islam at the time was based on the way people lived back then.

Now if you go by the example i've given in the vast difference between now and should it be realistic that Islam should be 100% applied the same way as it was back then ? If you look at it objectively, no one can deny (however you want to spin it or twist it)that a lot of Islam is based on the culture and lifestyles of people living in Mecca at that time. For example the fasting guidelines and how men were solely responsible for supporting their families financially, which i will will elaborate on below.

1) Fasting guidelines were implemented on the fact that Meccans were traders who  basically worked when they chose to, the equivalent of what you'd call self employed in this day and age. Also it was normal(even now for many) at the time for Meccans to sleep 5-6 hours a day in the hot weather, normally during the period between Fajr-Zuhr, Zuhr-Asr, Asr-Maghrib. Now should there be the same fasting guidelines for Muslims who live in much different working and environmental lifestyles to that of Mecca 1400 years ago ?

2) The instruction on men supporting their families were based on the fact that Mecca was full of rich merchants who could easily support their family financially without the need for women and children having to go out to work. Now we all know in the real world unless your last name is Hilton the chances are that you will have to go out work.

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You have the right idea.  Scholars and their followers wanted to prevent other interpretations from entering the arena of ideas/scholarship.  So therefore the Shariah and 4 Sunni schools of the thought that were formulated and developed 200 years after the death of the Prophet Muhammad were very rigid and confining.

You have the right idea that it is foolish for Muslims to take Muhammad's life out of context and insist that we try to live like it's still the 7th century, and that certain Hadiths weren't specific to those times and conditions.

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