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the JETS vs the CHARGERS - who wins next sunday on CBS??
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on January 12, 2010, 02:49:27 PM ---i find it funny how you always bring up how bad their line is, yet when i watch a game, all i hear about is how good it is lol.
not to mention, Jeff Saturday is going to his 4th Pro-Bowl.
not to mention, Rivers has been sacked 25 times ( :o) & Brady 16 times (with that "HOF" line) to Manning's 10.
i'll never forget i was watching a game this year, towards the end of the year (might have been the Jets game) & Donald James made a sick block & the commentator was like, "as if this line wasn't good enough, they got the rookie making blocks like that".
why have Manning's numbers been his best? he's been sacked less times than ever before...
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Funny how that exact same line didn't look so good with Painter. Number of sacks and time in the pocket don't always go hand in hand.
--- Quote from: Teddy Roosevelt on January 12, 2010, 02:58:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on January 12, 2010, 10:46:32 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on January 12, 2010, 09:48:41 AM ---^are you just going to shit on every QB who might challenge Peyton one day?
Rivers should be high consideration for MVP; as high as Brees anyway.
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I just bring QBs back down to earth. When Billy Volek can walk in and do the exact same job Manning does I'll reconsider. You think it's personal. If Manning played his whole career with super protection and either tall WRs with great hands or complicated screen plays I'd question him too. But I've seen him play like he did against Pit in 05. They lost but he played like a stud. All I'm saying it's see how Rivers does when the chips are down before people start crowning him "too good" for the Jets D.
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That's just foolish. Manning has had comparable and usually better players around him then Rivers had every season.
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Yeah because Manning's 1000 yard WRs have always been 6 feet while Rivers 1000 yard guys have always been 6'5. How is that comparable at all? Then throw in LT, Turner, and Sproles. Turner left SD and became a star in Atlanta. Edge left Indy and stunk up the league. Harrison left Indy and no one wanted him. How long you think Vincent Jackson or Antonio Gates would stay on the market? Don't kid yourself. Manning had great talent and Rivers has great talent. The difference is Manning makes his great talent look better, while great talent makes Rivers look better.
--- Quote from: HipHopISalive on January 12, 2010, 03:24:12 PM ---
Volek didnt play against the colts in 07... Rivers did with a blown knee... figure your shit out before you talk. Volek led them on one drive against the colts where they just handed the ball off to turner every play and turner led them down the field not volek... AS FOR SAYING VOLEK COULD DO THE SAME JOB give your head a shake your blinded by your hatered for rivers therefore your opinion is garbage.
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I know how the game went and that's my point. It had little to do with the actual play of Rivers and more to do with the lack of play of the Indy D. SD loses their starting QB and RB and still run down Indy's throats. Then get beaten up by NE. The next year the same thing. They walk over Indy and then Pit eats them alive. SD sucks. Indy's pre 09 D just sucks more (minus the 06 playoffs where they won two games by themselves). SD can beat Indy this year too maybe. The Jets, I'm not sure, but Baltimore if they beat Indy will destroy SD. Mark my words. SD has no chance at winnin gthe SB. They can get there if they play Indy, but they will not beat any NFC team.
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: Shallow on January 12, 2010, 04:49:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on January 12, 2010, 02:49:27 PM ---i find it funny how you always bring up how bad their line is, yet when i watch a game, all i hear about is how good it is lol.
not to mention, Jeff Saturday is going to his 4th Pro-Bowl.
not to mention, Rivers has been sacked 25 times ( :o) & Brady 16 times (with that "HOF" line) to Manning's 10.
i'll never forget i was watching a game this year, towards the end of the year (might have been the Jets game) & Donald James made a sick block & the commentator was like, "as if this line wasn't good enough, they got the rookie making blocks like that".
why have Manning's numbers been his best? he's been sacked less times than ever before...
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Funny how that exact same line didn't look so good with Painter. Number of sacks and time in the pocket don't always go hand in hand.
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so because Peyton has a better clock in his head than a guy who hasn't seen the field all season & the two times he played, he played against the number one defense & then the next week in a blizzard, that means the line is terrible?
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on January 12, 2010, 05:22:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on January 12, 2010, 04:49:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on January 12, 2010, 02:49:27 PM ---i find it funny how you always bring up how bad their line is, yet when i watch a game, all i hear about is how good it is lol.
not to mention, Jeff Saturday is going to his 4th Pro-Bowl.
not to mention, Rivers has been sacked 25 times ( :o) & Brady 16 times (with that "HOF" line) to Manning's 10.
i'll never forget i was watching a game this year, towards the end of the year (might have been the Jets game) & Donald James made a sick block & the commentator was like, "as if this line wasn't good enough, they got the rookie making blocks like that".
why have Manning's numbers been his best? he's been sacked less times than ever before...
--- End quote ---
Funny how that exact same line didn't look so good with Painter. Number of sacks and time in the pocket don't always go hand in hand.
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so because Peyton has a better clock in his head than a guy who hasn't seen the field all season & the two times he played, he played against the number one defense & then the next week in a blizzard, that means the line is terrible?
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The line, especially last year, was rotating. Injuries all around, but Peyton still put up numbers and still avoided sacks. This year he barely gets touched, and Painter comes in and has no time. There's isn't another QB in te league that can get rid of the ball as fast as Manning can. That's fact. Give credit where it's due. The o-line is an average NFL o-line. No better, no worse. Saturday is a great player, and Glenn used to be as as well, but Johnson and Ugoh are average linemen and that's where the problem lies, on the ends. Manning simply never had the time Rivers has. And on the run game the Colts could never power run. They were 3rd and 2 for the game against SD last year and they wouldn't even dare attempt a run, and we know it would have been stopped. Instead they go pass and a man runs unblocked right in and sacks Manning before he even finished his 3rd step.
Chamillitary Click:
say what you will about Peyton getting rid of the ball fast, you won't hear an argument from me.
but you mean to tell me Philip Rivers line is "so" much better? 25 sacks better?
his internal clock cannot be that bad lmao.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on January 12, 2010, 05:54:51 PM ---say what you will about Peyton getting rid of the ball fast, you won't hear an argument from me.
but you mean to tell me Philip Rivers line is "so" much better? 25 sacks better?
his internal clock cannot be that bad lmao.
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His clock no. What makes Peyton better with regards to not taking sacks is he is able to better get rid of balls, be it throwing it away, when lines break down, and he doesn't try and extend the play, which is what gives Roth all his sacks. River scrambles a bit more and it gets him into to trouble a few times. My argument is if he has 25 sacks in SD he'd have 35 in Indy. The other thing about the two lines is when they aren't breaking down SD gives more time than Indy. Not huge amounts more time, but more time. It's different offenses though. Indy is about quick timing passes, while SD is more about creating time to get open and then trowing it to the open guy.
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