New York Jets @ San Diego Chargers Game Thread

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^going into the game, Nate hit 67 consecutive FG's inside the 40.

he's a choke artist.

If this was an Indy game and the FGs were missed and Peyton through two INTs and only got 14 points everyone would be saying Peyton chokes again. You guys wanted to include the over-rated Rivers into the MVP discussion, so you better get on him like you do real MVPs. Now we need a new commercial with Peyton and Al Bundy and Peyton bragging about his 4 MVPs in one decade.

alright fine, Rivers choked; so all those other MVP seasons Manning lost in the Playoffs were chokes too.

if losing in the Playoffs shows he is unworthy of the MVP award, i guess Tom Brady deserves two more.

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^going into the game, Nate hit 67 consecutive FG's inside the 40.

he's a choke artist.

If this was an Indy game and the FGs were missed and Peyton through two INTs and only got 14 points everyone would be saying Peyton chokes again. You guys wanted to include the over-rated Rivers into the MVP discussion, so you better get on him like you do real MVPs. Now we need a new commercial with Peyton and Al Bundy and Peyton bragging about his 4 MVPs in one decade.

alright fine, Rivers choked; so all those other MVP seasons Manning lost in the Playoffs were chokes too.

if losing in the Playoffs shows he is unworthy of the MVP award, i guess Tom Brady deserves two more.

Not losing; playing like your average. Rivers wasn't any worse tonight than he was all year. He just had to play against a defensive that showed up, like Baltimore, Pit, and Denver did this season. Manning never choked any of his MVP years. Every loss in any of the MVP years the Colts D played a lot worse than the Colts offense did in the losses; letting teams run right through them all day. The Jets had one big play on offense all day and a bunch of 3 and outs. Then one FG drive and one TD that came because of a River's TD. This was a game that was neck and neck all day and River's played like the QB he is; average. An above average performance could have made the difference. And that sack fumble that was a perfect example of the difference between Manning and Rivers when it comes to the number of sacks all year.

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^they flashed a statistic earlier this season, while comparing Tom & Peyton in the post-season.

Manning has like seventeen career post-season INTs; that's pretty awful for the "GOAT".

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^they flashed a statistic earlier this season, while comparing Tom & Peyton in the post-season.

Manning has like seventeen career post-season INTs; that's pretty awful for the "GOAT".

I don't watch stats. I watch people play. An INT thrown to your guy on the numbers tipped by his own hands and caught by a defender is not the same as hastily throwing the ball under pressure into coverage, but the stats say the same thing.

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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/GFgjt8Mpsko" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/GFgjt8Mpsko</a>

:40 - fumble; blown assignment by the "legendary line" of the Pats; even Mr. God himself is fumbling that ball; unless i hear this "he would have thrown it, argument".

1:08 - 1st interception; pretty terrible thrown, no denying that; but even GOAT those one of those everyone know & then;
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/7g2gWxWWSws" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/7g2gWxWWSws</a>

1:40 - 2nd interception; one the money throw right there; Sam Aiken had both hands on it & bobbled it; that's one of your "it can be a tipped pass, etc, etc.".

2:30 - i thought Tom couldn't throw on the run, feelin' the heat.

2:55 - 3rd interception; that was right there; but the guy got blasted; but my point is, that's another tip.

so you go on in other threads saying how he's overrated and stuff, when he threw really one legit INT & the fumble goes to the line easily, they were on him in less than 2 seconds.

SO, Peyton Mannings 2004 MVP GODLY SEASON, in the playoffs, against YOUR BOY, 35.5 passer rating & picked him off four times.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gI_zwO_0tMs" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gI_zwO_0tMs</a>
the last 10 seconds just makes the video.

Marvin the great, just 3 receptions for 29 yards & Ty Law with 3 picks; great stats.

so, how is Rivers & Brady overrated for one botch of the Playoff game?

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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/GFgjt8Mpsko" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/GFgjt8Mpsko</a>

:40 - fumble; blown assignment by the "legendary line" of the Pats; even Mr. God himself is fumbling that ball; unless i hear this "he would have thrown it, argument".

1:08 - 1st interception; pretty terrible thrown, no denying that; but even GOAT those one of those everyone know & then;
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/7g2gWxWWSws" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/7g2gWxWWSws</a>

1:40 - 2nd interception; one the money throw right there; Sam Aiken had both hands on it & bobbled it; that's one of your "it can be a tipped pass, etc, etc.".

2:30 - i thought Tom couldn't throw on the run, feelin' the heat.

2:55 - 3rd interception; that was right there; but the guy got blasted; but my point is, that's another tip.

so you go on in other threads saying how he's overrated and stuff, when he threw really one legit INT & the fumble goes to the line easily, they were on him in less than 2 seconds.

SO, Peyton Mannings 2004 MVP GODLY SEASON, in the playoffs, against YOUR BOY, 35.5 passer rating & picked him off four times.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gI_zwO_0tMs" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gI_zwO_0tMs</a>
the last 10 seconds just makes the video.

Marvin the great, just 3 receptions for 29 yards & Ty Law with 3 picks; great stats.

so, how is Rivers & Brady overrated for one botch of the Playoff game?

You're very good at doing all the work for me, you know that.

The fumble wasn't a blown assignment and the line was legendary in 07, not the 10-6 '09. A blown assignment means you did not cover your man and did something else. What happened there was Light or Vollmer, I can't tell, was beaten by Suggs and Brady didn't feel the pressure after 3 full seconds. Manning would have covered up for the sack. Just like he did against SD last year in the playoffs when blown coverage let a man come in untouched.

Why are you show that Manning INT? The one to Reed Saturday night was a bad one. The Bills INT happened because the Colts WR fell down after the ball was thrown. Unlike Brady's 3 INTs which were not on the money. One was to no one. he other two were misthrown. On the money means the WR doesn't have to be 6'5 and have a reach to get it. On the money means it's on the numbers, and neither of those were. One was too high and the other was too outside with an oncoming tackler. Manning doesn't even throw the first one, the second one he puts down the line, and the third he places in the chest not on the outstretched arms. Brady had no pressure on him for those two tipped INTs. He had time and space and could not make the tough throws. The story of his career.

And the 04 game was what I've been saying all along, the Pats team was that much better than the Colts. Switch QBs and it's 45-0. Brady did nothing in that video and every time Manning made a throw his guy was super covered, or fumbled. After a while you get desperate an shoot for the stars against a super Bellicheck/Crennel Defense.


Brady and Rivers aren't over rated because of the last two losses. They're over rated because they aren't as good as people think.

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well, that Patriots defense was #1, but funny thing is, you completely count the Jets out & the Jets have the number one defense.

& this is the year "Peyton was all alone", so technically, the Jets should be a favorite.

anyway, you can argue all you want, those two picks were off of tips, the same tips you go on & on about that "screws the QB INT numbers".

as for the Suggs forced fumble, he grabbed his arm as he was bringing it back; it would have happened to anyone.

not to mention Suggs would of gotten there in half a second with the "shit" line of the Colts lmao.

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well, that Patriots defense was #1, but funny thing is, you completely count the Jets out & the Jets have the number one defense.

& this is the year "Peyton was all alone", so technically, the Jets should be a favorite.

anyway, you can argue all you want, those two picks were off of tips, the same tips you go on & on about that "screws the QB INT numbers".

as for the Suggs forced fumble, he grabbed his arm as he was bringing it back; it would have happened to anyone.

not to mention Suggs would of gotten there in half a second with the "shit" line of the Colts lmao.

The weather played a factor. If this game was played in NY in January with the 04 team I'd call the Jets favorites too. The Colts have a way better D than they had then and Manning is a better QB than he was, meaning smarter, and he doesn't need to push the stats like he was doing that year. Plenty of times he laid back and ran the ball this year when in 04 he would have passed. He ruined his 300 yard consecutive game streak against St. Louis this year. They killed St Louis. He could have passed just get numbers. This year he had 33 TDs with two games to go. He lead 3 TD drives in the final two games and chose run each time.


There are two kinds of tipped balls; those thrown on target away from defenders that get tipped because of careless receiving, and those thrown off target where the WR struggles to get to it and then gets set up for a hit. Brady sets finesse receivers up to get hurt. That's why a proven vet like Galloway couldn't succeed there.

As for Suggs, it sounds weird bu Brady and Peyton stand different. Brady stays planted and has his arm out. He fumbles more than Manning career wise. Like almost double. So it's safe to say Peyton would have a better shot at holding on.