Johnny J is the greatest producer of all time

[fabtoxicp]

i dont like the word "underrated" - i think it gets thrown out there way too often.
when a producer, rapper etc gets punished wit the "underrated" title - it doesn't necessarily mean dat he/she is "underrated", just dat he hasn't been seen publicly in the media as much ur other typical media-whore - automaitcly, ur mind would then think he is "underrated" cause u haven't heard anybody talk about him/her, obviously because nobody likes him/her. when the true case is, dat he just isn't "availabel" as much as ur other typical star in the media-industry.. now why, he/she isn't "available" can be beacuse of even him/herself - the artist itself might've decided dat it doesn't give a fuck about it's career, just about the creative aspect of it

i think this sums it up good for producers such as Johnny J, Soundscannerz, FredWreck etc - they're not really tryin to do big things like dat, so dat's why u dont hear of 'em, and dat's why u think nobody likes 'em - so dat's why they're "underrrated"

and now concerning all this hype about Johnny J bein all great now all of a sudden, is a clear case of the "domino-effect" -- RAPPER/PRODUCER DIES - RAPPER/PRODUCER AUTOMATICALY BECOMES THE GREATEST THING IN THE WORLD half of u niggas wouldn't eyeball Johnny for a second, if it wasn't for his relationship wit Pac or beacuse of his recent death AND DAT'S A FUCKIN FACT

[V2DHeart]

i dont like the word "underrated" - i think it gets thrown out there way too often.
when a producer, rapper etc gets punished wit the "underrated" title - it doesn't necessarily mean dat he/she is "underrated", just dat he hasn't been seen publicly in the media as much ur other typical media-whore - automaitcly, ur mind would then think he is "underrated" cause u haven't heard anybody talk about him/her, obviously because nobody likes him/her. when the true case is, dat he just isn't "availabel" as much as ur other typical star in the media-industry.. now why, he/she isn't "available" can be beacuse of even him/herself - the artist itself might've decided dat it doesn't give a fuck about it's career, just about the creative aspect of it

That's a good point.

I can however remember when Johnny J was trying to reach out though, and he was getting refused, and even from the likes of Amaru (though mainly Interscope) for offering lower end market prices for work on Loyal To The Game, and Pacs Life, and that was from a company/relationship point of view from a man who had previous multi-platinum success with the rapper that he was trying to negotiate his "cheaper" if not "cheapest" offer with, which was way below what others were or would have received anyway. Eminem was paid off of Loyal To The Game despite what is said about working for free. He simply done the initial beats for free, but received checks afterwards for the album nonetheless once sales gathered. Interscope obviously pulled the plug on Johnny J for more "popular" commercial names, but Johnny J would have loved to have worked on those 2Pac releases even at reduced cost, so the fact he gets the shut door treatment on an artists album from whom he made his name from, slowers his opportunity to keep his name relevant not down to his own choice, and pre-longs possible options from others if he hasn't been given the chance to work on albums he actually wanted to

[OG Hack Wilson]

in my opinion Big Stretch was a better producer than Johnny J.   i'm not even going to bring up Dre or Premo or RZA



Stretch produced:

-Pain
-Life's So Hard (OG)
-Bury me a G
-Only Fear of Death
-God Bless the Dead
-Under Pressure
-Holler If You Hear Me  (Both versions)
-Stay True
-The Streetz R Death Row
-Crooked Ass Niggas
-Crooked Nigga 2 (og)
-Tha Luntic
-5 Deadly Venomz
-Hellrazor (og)
-Judgement Day
-Enemies with me (og)
-House of Pain (og)
-Nothing To Lose
-Danger Times
-Street fame  (thug life version)
-Strugglin
-Don't Fuck With a Killa (og)
-Thug 4 Life (og)
-Flex

not to mention he produced "Take it in blood" and "silent murder" for nas.  and all the Live Squad classic shit...




i happen to be a bigger fan of Pre-death row pac...granted i love makaveli era tracks and all eyez era, don't get me wrong.  


you can't fuck with the raw Stretch beats though.

those are all samples with drum loops. johnny j made real music. he would replay samples, add synths, basslines, had a good ear for puttin shit together. stretchs production was amateur compared to johnny j

lmao  johnny j did a GREAT job on until the end of time with his "my closest road dog" beat huh?  or his when thugs cry beat?


Pac wasn't even working with JJ by the makaveli era...it was QD III, the "wack room" and pac himself


Pain and Bury me a G > anything Johnny J ever produced

[OG Hack Wilson]

this thread is why i don't visit the west coast section much anymore

why not quit crying and make a thread you feel is superior to this guys

[you gon always be my latin queen bitch]

lol

this thread is why i don't visit the west coast section much anymore

why not quit crying and make a thread you feel is superior to this guys

[V2DHeart]

2Pac would have still continued to work with Johnny J, just that he wasn't around that week. People seem to think that he had plans to stop working with Johnny J due to the Makaveli album credits

[you gon always be my latin queen bitch]

what happened wit the credits?

2Pac would have still continued to work with Johnny J, just that he wasn't around that week. People seem to think that he had plans to stop working with Johnny J due to the Makaveli album credits

[OG Hack Wilson]

2Pac would have still continued to work with Johnny J, just that he wasn't around that week. People seem to think that he had plans to stop working with Johnny J due to the Makaveli album credits

where was johnny j for one nation?


inquiring minds want to know

[Jimmy H.]

johnny j was in jail but not PRISON - he was being held on a DUI charge i believe


def NOT something to kill urself over - esp in such a brutal fashion



very sketchy death....VERY

  But whose to say JAIL was the reason he killed himself. Just because that's where he was when it happened doesn't mean that it was the direct cause. Might have been some other shit going on that we don't know about. As it is, I don't know much about the details surrounding it.

[David Mack]

dunno about all time but He was definately the best producer for Pac.

[V2DHeart]

2Pac would have still continued to work with Johnny J, just that he wasn't around that week. People seem to think that he had plans to stop working with Johnny J due to the Makaveli album credits

where was johnny j for one nation?


inquiring minds want to know

Firstly Johnny J was never signed to Death Row, and was primarily 2Pac's own producer from his earlier years (Since Thug Life through Big Syke) and after All Eyez On Me dropped and achieved multi-planinum success shortly after it's release and when people realized that it was Johnny J and who produced almost half of the entire double disc album, he was getting phone calls requesting work. He had worked heavily with 2Pac in such a short period of time, he took time off, and was producing other acts at a more relaxed pace at a time when 2Pac basically threw out an albums worth of material in days. He was also after a different, darker sound, and Makaveli was originally intended as a street release with no big budget, so lesser known in-house producers such as Tyrone Wrice, Daryl Harper etc. were more appropriate for that reason alone. Daz wasn't even on there although he was around at the time.

& One Nation wasn't even fully completed, but best believe that after that was completed, he would have worked more with Johnny J & QD3, and I believe QD3 would have been apart of the Non-Stop Productions thing 2Pac was trying to create since he was engaged to his sister, and had already formed a working relationship with him.

2Pac wanted to step back, and had a few movie roles lined up for 1997, and only release albums now and again, and who better to produce than someone with the portfolio containing the likes of:

Life Goes On
All About U
Hit em' Up
Pour Out a Little Liquor
How Do You Want It

[Elano]

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[Jimmy H.]

People go a little overboard sometimes. He collaborated with Pac on some classic tracks but greatest of all-time?

[V2DHeart]

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