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daygo were you ever a chrisitan?
you gon always be my latin queen bitch:
but who was the highest in power, of those?
Shallow:
--- Quote from: GET YOUR WALK ON on March 16, 2010, 05:15:34 PM ---but who was the highest in power, of those?
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Highest in power? I don't know what you mean.
M Dogg™:
I remember being a history major, and looking this up and the written records of Jesus. It was trippy. I had mainly seen Jesus as a figure that was too great to be recorded, but there it was. Romans even had written record of him, Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus. This is a source outside the Bible, this is a historian, just like someone would write about FDR's presidency or the Civil War in the US. This person wrote on Jesus. He began looking into Jesus because the fire of Nero was blamed on Christians, so he went to the offical Roman Records and looked up this "Christ". He would research how the Jews would cause an uprising when Christ was to suffer the extreme penality. He would use these records as proof the Christians caused the fire during Nero's reign.
Just for the heck of it, I found some other Historians accounts of Jesus.
"Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, a member of a priestly family and who became a Pharisee at the age of 19, became the court historian for Emperor Vespasian. In the Antiquities, he wrote about many persons and events of first century Palestine. He makes two references to Jesus. The first reference is believed associated with the Apostle James. "...he brother of Jesus, who was called Christ." He also wrote, "At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good and (he) was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive, accordingly, he was perhaps the messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders." These historical writings predated the Old Testament. Josephus died in 97 A.D.
Before Tacitus, Suetonius or Josephus, Thallus wrote about the crucifixion of Jesus. His writing date to circa 52 A.D. and the passage on Jesus was contained in Thallus' work on the Eastern Mediterranean world from the Trojan War to 52 A.D. Thallus noted that darkness fell on the land at the time of the crucifixion. He wrote that such a phenomenon was caused by an eclipse. Though Christ was not proclaimed a deity until the fourth century, Pliny the Younger, a Roman author and administrator who served as the governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor, wrote in 112 A.D., two hundred years before the "deity" proclamation, that Christians in Bithynia worshipped Christ.
Two references have been made to a report by Pontius Pilate. The references include Justin Martyr (150 A..D.) and Tetullian (200 A.D.). Both references correspond with the fact that there was an official document in Rome from Pilate. The Pilate report detailed the crucifixion but also reported acts of miracles. Emperor Tiberius acted on Pilate's report, according to Tertullian, to the Roman Senate. "Tiberius accordingly, in whose days the Christian name made its entry into the world, having himself received intelligence from Palestine of events which had clearly shown the truth of Christ's divinity, brought the matter before the senate, with his own decision in favor of Christ. The senate, because it had not given the approval itself, rejected his proposal. Caesar held to his opinion, threatening wrath against all accusers of the Christians."
Shallow:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on March 16, 2010, 09:26:31 PM ---
Before Tacitus, Suetonius or Josephus, Thallus wrote about the crucifixion of Jesus. His writing date to circa 52 A.D. and the passage on Jesus was contained in Thallus' work on the Eastern Mediterranean world from the Trojan War to 52 A.D. Thallus noted that darkness fell on the land at the time of the crucifixion. He wrote that such a phenomenon was caused by an eclipse. Though Christ was not proclaimed a deity until the fourth century, Pliny the Younger, a Roman author and administrator who served as the governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor, wrote in 112 A.D., two hundred years before the "deity" proclamation, that Christians in Bithynia worshipped Christ.
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So The Gospel of John wasn't around until the 4th century?
you gon always be my latin queen bitch:
who was here first that created everyone?
hes the highest power isnt he/she?
--- Quote from: Shallow on March 16, 2010, 07:33:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: GET YOUR WALK ON on March 16, 2010, 05:15:34 PM ---but who was the highest in power, of those?
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Highest in power? I don't know what you mean.
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