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My thoughts on Pacquiao/Clottey and Mayweather
D-Nice:
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--- Quote from: D~Nice on March 13, 2010, 10:43:05 PM ---Agreed, but at the same time Manny would not fight Floyd like that. Freddie Roach even said before the fight that Clottey is more counter punch 1st minded and with a volume puncher he takes too long to counter. That is why Manny fought the way he did and until the later rounds had little resistance. He would get knocked out with the quickness fighting Floyd like that but for tonight it worked.
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That's Pacquiao's only chance against Mayweather though, I think. Having a high volume of punches throughout the fight. If he decides to be more selective, then I think Mayweather will just pick him off much more easily.
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Yeah it is lose/lose anyway Pacman fights Floyd. Only if he caught him with something slick that changes the entire pace of the fight is the only way I see Pac having a shot.
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I bought the fight last night....
Ima start off by saying...Jim Lampley was the most annoying commentator ive ever heard last night. He should stick to wife beating...cus last night was terrible. Normally he doesnt bother me so much, but last night was RIDICULOUS.
Ive always hated how networks (HBO in this case) always build up one fighter far more then the other. Manny is their guy, so I get it. And Im a HUGE Pacquiao fan. But cmon. For one, Lampley was taking WAY too many shots at Clottey. He isnt a boxer, and isnt in the ring. Clottey is a former champion, and a very good fighter. You could DEFINETELY argue that Clottey beat Cotto (I think he did), but boxing politics would not have allowed a fighter from Ghana to beat a Puerto Rican star without a KO. He was definetely beating Margarito before he hurt his hand in that fight...and u still could make an argument for him winning THAT fight. But its so easy fromt he outside looking in to say..."why wont he throw more punches!?". First off, Clottey is a very defensive fighter. His guard is hard to penetrate...and nobody really hurts him. Manny did exactly what he needed to do. He just peppered him with punches all night. Was Manny hurting him? I dont think so. But, he threw SO many punches...that it made it almost impossible for Clottey to get off. he threw 1271 punches....thats over 100 per round. If Pacquiao wasnt even such a powerful puncher...it would be hard for another fighter to get off with that kind of activity. Plus the way Manny would throw a combination and then step to the side....by the time Clottey would uncover, Manny was gone. It was simple to see what was going on...Clottey was just confused on what to do. He wasnt running...he wasnt quitting...he just had no answer. Its equivilent to a good hitter in baseball being struck out looking. Easy for fans to say..."why wont he just swing?!". Well, sometimes you just cant figure out a certain pitcher and the motion on their pitches, or whatever, just freezes you. That happened to Clottey.
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--- Quote from: Javier on March 13, 2010, 10:30:59 PM ---Mayweather gets a lot of shit talked to because of his get a punch or two in, and "run away". Or as I like to call it, "boxing". Tonight was a perfect example of somebody who actually does run and not do anything with Clottey. Hopefully more people realize that Mayweather is a boxing genius, and should really treasure the remainder of his fights but his type of genius boxing is very rare to come by in boxing. You always have counter punchers, sluggers, explosive, etc type of fighters but none have the highly accurate offensive style and tremendous defense of Mayweather.
Pacquiao landed 20% of his punches on Clottey, this is really not good news for Pac if he were to face Mayweather. You would see a similar percentage against Mayweather, but the difference is that Mayweather will know when to attack with precision.
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I love Mayweather. Been a big fan. But right now probably a bigger Pacquiao fan. Also Shane Mosley as well. I want to see Pacquiao/ Mayweather....but the fact that Im such a Mosley fan almost has me hopin for him to beat Mayweather. And he can. Mosleys main problem with Floyd is that they are both counter puncers. Mosley is more affective that way...not when he has to be the aggressor. So we will see.
As far as Manny and Floyd. Floyds defense is insane, he is almost a perfect fighter. If he just had more power he would be. But I know for sure, he has NEVER been tested like he will be against Pacquiao. Floyd is not used to seeing this kind of activity and power from the same fighter. We've never really seen somebody completely pressure Floyd for an entire fight. I really dont think he will be comfortable having Manny constantly throwing punches. Even if Manny lands 20-25% of his shots, if he is this active...it might be enough to really bother Floyd. Its hard to bet against Floyd, but right now it seems almost harder to bet against Pacquiao....AND Freddy Roach.
Javier:
I might have been too harsh on Clottey, because I do respect his style. I know it was impossible for Clottey to do his thing against Pac, I was just stating how there is still some huge differences in Defensive Minded fighters that people seem to all just put in one category.
Pac definitely the most dangerous fighter Mayweather has faced, but I think once Mayweather starts moving Pac is going to try to catch him while he's off balanced. That's how I see it happening.
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--- Quote from: Javier on March 14, 2010, 11:57:55 AM ---I might have been too harsh on Clottey, because I do respect his style. I know it was impossible for Clottey to do his thing against Pac, I was just stating how there is still some huge differences in Defensive Minded fighters that people seem to all just put in one category.
Pac definitely the most dangerous fighter Mayweather has faced, but I think once Mayweather starts moving Pac is going to try to catch him while he's off balanced. That's how I see it happening.
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Yeah Clottey is an amazing defensive fighter. He just cant really be hurt..and fighters can hardly break through his defense. What makes Mayweathers defense so effective, is that unlike Clottey...his defense involves a lot of head movement, awkward angles, and foot work....so mayweather can make you miss....but still be in a position to throw punches. You see when Clottey would block Pacquiao punches...he was so covered up that he wasnt in a good position to counter. Either way...Pacquiao vs Mayweather would be HUGE. If Floyd can get past Shane.
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