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Is Jawalrus Russel the biggest bust in Nfl history?
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on April 02, 2010, 07:40:09 AM ---I kept reading Russell was working out, had a dietitian, was down to 240, was ready to do, leaner and meaner, and now is really 290. Okay, I've had faith in the guy, but it's time to pack up our losses, cut him and trade for a decent vet and draft Colt McCoy. When we drafted him, I was excited, but I had this feeling maybe we should have drafted Calvin Johnson and then taken Troy Smith later in the draft. Oh well, easy to say now.
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Calvin Johnson was considered the most talented player in that draft...and there was TALK that the Raiders would go after him. But most analysts were mocking that idea...saying that it wouldnt make sense cus we NEEDED a QB far more then a WR,and should take Russell. The draft can be pretty hit or miss sometimes. You wanna see them go after McCoy? Interesting. When would they pick him up? Cus if they DO pull the trigger on this trade and take McNabb they would more then likely lose their 39th pick. Taking McCoy with our #1 pick is WAY too early....but he wont fall to the third round for us to get him their. I dont really like the idea of trading for McNabb unless we can get him to sign an extension...and I dont see that happening. So for me, Id rather see us keep our second round pick...try to make that trade for Rosenfels (which will be far cheaper then McNabb) OR take the 5th round tender on Troy Smith and get him in there. Then they can still draft McCoy in the second round if they want (assuming he is there at #39), and have him sit this first year. Cus I dont think he'd be ready to come in and run an offense immediately.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on April 02, 2010, 11:11:57 AM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on April 02, 2010, 07:40:09 AM ---I kept reading Russell was working out, had a dietitian, was down to 240, was ready to do, leaner and meaner, and now is really 290. Okay, I've had faith in the guy, but it's time to pack up our losses, cut him and trade for a decent vet and draft Colt McCoy. When we drafted him, I was excited, but I had this feeling maybe we should have drafted Calvin Johnson and then taken Troy Smith later in the draft. Oh well, easy to say now.
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Calvin Johnson was considered the most talented player in that draft...and there was TALK that the Raiders would go after him. But most analysts were mocking that idea...saying that it wouldnt make sense cus we NEEDED a QB far more then a WR,and should take Russell. The draft can be pretty hit or miss sometimes. You wanna see them go after McCoy? Interesting. When would they pick him up? Cus if they DO pull the trigger on this trade and take McNabb they would more then likely lose their 39th pick. Taking McCoy with our #1 pick is WAY too early....but he wont fall to the third round for us to get him their. I dont really like the idea of trading for McNabb unless we can get him to sign an extension...and I dont see that happening. So for me, Id rather see us keep our second round pick...try to make that trade for Rosenfels (which will be far cheaper then McNabb) OR take the 5th round tender on Troy Smith and get him in there. Then they can still draft McCoy in the second round if they want (assuming he is there at #39), and have him sit this first year. Cus I dont think he'd be ready to come in and run an offense immediately.
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You might be right. I do remember the scouts laughing at Calvin Johnson, but even then I had second thoughts on Russell, but once he was drafted I was on board 100% because he was a Raider. Now, it's easy to say, well maybe that idea would have been better, that's the benefit of seeing it 4 years laters. Their were 2 concerns about Russell then, he was too young (he is barely 25 now) and for some reason he won one bowl game and out of no where his a better pick that Brady Quinn, who was the number 1 QB all the way up until that game. But every scout had Russell as that can't miss QB. So it's easier to say now.
I still like McCoy, I agree though his not ready right now. I think the Raiders need a veteran QB. I loved Dante Culpepper coming to the Raiders when they drafted Russell, but he was found to be too injured prone. The only way I trade for McNabb is IF, and I mean IF you want to keep Russell. Who knows, maybe this QB class isn't as strong as the previous years, you get McNabb and hold off until next year. I have no idea, but Russell coming in 290 pounds is highly disappointing. I've even heard rumors he hates being in Oakland and will basically keep this up as long as his in Oakland. Personally, you knew you were going to be in Oakland, have some damn pride in your career and yourself and get to doing what you do. But who knows?
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on April 02, 2010, 12:36:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on April 02, 2010, 11:11:57 AM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on April 02, 2010, 07:40:09 AM ---I kept reading Russell was working out, had a dietitian, was down to 240, was ready to do, leaner and meaner, and now is really 290. Okay, I've had faith in the guy, but it's time to pack up our losses, cut him and trade for a decent vet and draft Colt McCoy. When we drafted him, I was excited, but I had this feeling maybe we should have drafted Calvin Johnson and then taken Troy Smith later in the draft. Oh well, easy to say now.
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Calvin Johnson was considered the most talented player in that draft...and there was TALK that the Raiders would go after him. But most analysts were mocking that idea...saying that it wouldnt make sense cus we NEEDED a QB far more then a WR,and should take Russell. The draft can be pretty hit or miss sometimes. You wanna see them go after McCoy? Interesting. When would they pick him up? Cus if they DO pull the trigger on this trade and take McNabb they would more then likely lose their 39th pick. Taking McCoy with our #1 pick is WAY too early....but he wont fall to the third round for us to get him their. I dont really like the idea of trading for McNabb unless we can get him to sign an extension...and I dont see that happening. So for me, Id rather see us keep our second round pick...try to make that trade for Rosenfels (which will be far cheaper then McNabb) OR take the 5th round tender on Troy Smith and get him in there. Then they can still draft McCoy in the second round if they want (assuming he is there at #39), and have him sit this first year. Cus I dont think he'd be ready to come in and run an offense immediately.
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You might be right. I do remember the scouts laughing at Calvin Johnson, but even then I had second thoughts on Russell, but once he was drafted I was on board 100% because he was a Raider. Now, it's easy to say, well maybe that idea would have been better, that's the benefit of seeing it 4 years laters. Their were 2 concerns about Russell then, he was too young (he is barely 25 now) and for some reason he won one bowl game and out of no where his a better pick that Brady Quinn, who was the number 1 QB all the way up until that game. But every scout had Russell as that can't miss QB. So it's easier to say now.
I still like McCoy, I agree though his not ready right now. I think the Raiders need a veteran QB. I loved Dante Culpepper coming to the Raiders when they drafted Russell, but he was found to be too injured prone. The only way I trade for McNabb is IF, and I mean IF you want to keep Russell. Who knows, maybe this QB class isn't as strong as the previous years, you get McNabb and hold off until next year. I have no idea, but Russell coming in 290 pounds is highly disappointing. I've even heard rumors he hates being in Oakland and will basically keep this up as long as his in Oakland. Personally, you knew you were going to be in Oakland, have some damn pride in your career and yourself and get to doing what you do. But who knows?
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Yeah. McNabb would be great....for THIS upcoming year lol. But face it...we arent looking to win a Superbowl this year. Just try to contend for a playoff spot. Its not worth losing TOO much just for one year of contention....unless McNabb will extend his contract with us. Then giving up a 2nd round pick would defintely be worth it. But Id be all for going after Rosenfels...or like I said, even Troy Smith. Giving up very little to get either. The fact that the Eagles just traded away Sheldon Brown could mean Asomugha is a possibility again in the McNabb talks. Which could be terrible.
Man, Ive even heard rumors that Al is in love with CJ Spiller. lol. If he goes and takes Spiller with our #1 pick...Im killin Al.
the ghost:
Ryan Leaf makes Jamarcus look like fucking Joe Montana.
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: the ghost on April 02, 2010, 01:23:11 PM ---Ryan Leaf makes Jamarcus look like fucking Joe Montana.
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I dunno man. Im a die hard Raider fan....and JaMarcus is pretty fuckin bad. Ive always defended him as a Raider fan. Really, it was the worst possible situation for him to fall into. A QB that is still pretty raw and needs some polishing...landing in a franchise that is in turmoil at the time. The coaching staff is a revolving door, no consistency. A very polished QB coming out of a college would have struggled there. With that being said...last year.....wow. He was missing on the simplest patterns. Simple out routes...shit...even HB screens he was missing on. Dude needs a TON of work.
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