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infinite59:

--- Quote from: Don Jacob Corleone on December 09, 2002, 12:35:59 AM ---all i got to say is that al queera is the dumbest set of people alive......their main objective is what.....to bring peace in the muslum world......yet they attack the biggest and most powerful nation on earth and expect to bring peace back to the muslum world....the middle east has even MORE chaos now than it did pre 9/11 and they're STILL trying to stir up shit with the US and it's allies........i don't know but if it were trying to bring peace to east BAKERSFIELD i wouldn't go to every gang members mom's house and kill their mom's to make a point about gang violence and not expect a reation......i mean come on it's just plain stupid

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Actually their main objective is to defend the Muslim Umma.  (community)  So if a group or country of Muslims is being oppressed they will fight back against those oppressors.  I'm not a scholar so I can't say for certain if what they are doing is right.  The Scholars and Islamic leaders have not reached any clear agreement on the matter as far as I know.

Ant:
^^^

I'm sure you can find the answer out using your own logic.  I found your comment interesting though since your implying that none of your thoughts on islam are your own.  You're not a scholar therefore your thoughts can't deviate from that of the scholars.  Thats you're choice to make, but I never thought thinking was a bad thing.  In this case you can't claim yourself intelligent only knowledgable.  And the different between knowledge in one man to knowledge in another is only exposure.  Therefore, you lose any ability to condemn other people for lacking intelligence because whether or not you are more knowledgeable you don't think you only repeat.

I guess it depends on a person's ideals, but take a misinformed individual on this board.  That individual might not have been exposed to the wealth of knowledge you have been, but they may think more deeply using the limited knowledge base they have.   Intellectually that would sort of make you inferior to every thinking member on this board.  Even if your view are correct you never thought them up on your own.  Whereas most other people have used their mind to develop their views.

I was reading about Islam the other day and I learned that Imam's are taught to bring new members into the faith at as young an age as possible.  Some authors on the subject of free will claim free will exists in a lesser form until we are given the ability to think through a decision thoroughly.  Well in this instance, a child (or confused youth) is at a disadvantage when being propositioned to enter islam since their intellect has to be able to challenge the persuasive abilities of the older and more experienced Imam.  This Imam firmly believes that all individual's should enter islam, and has spent however many years practicing this process of pesuading individual's to convert.  This is not because he is a bad person, but because he believes it is the right thing to do.  Either way,  he most likely has developed his pesuasive skills such that they are easily able to win over a child or a misguided youth.  

(cont.)

Ant:
I mentioned this because in your comment you kind of said you do not think.  And admitted that your thinking does not match that of a islamic scholar.  Well then, depending upon your ideals this could pose an interesting problem.  My ideals are such that individual's should have freedom to develop their own thinking, but exposure to many different forms of thinking (in the form of islam, christianity, philisophy, etc) However, islam has created a situation where an individual's right to think are stolen from them at a very young age.

Under these assumption the growing size of islam represents the growing size of the non-thinking (although knowledgeable) population.  

CharlieBrown:
Ant what about children who grow up being taught any faith is true, surely they are non-thinking? And thus it's not just the growth of Islam that is increasing the "non-thinking population".

Ant:
Well it all depends.  Islam as infinite tells us is a methodology and as inifinite demonstrated muslim views must follow with the view of the muslim scholars.  Other religions that present ideals but do not force their ideals upon their members are a different situation.  

The fact that islam is a methodology tells us it encourages non thinking.  I have this same problem with other religions too.  In the book of gensis, Adam and Eve were punished for their curiosity.  This story hints that we should not question God and since the bible is God's word, and priests or rabbi's his messengers we should not question them  either.  Therefore, orthodox believers sacrifice their free will and their ability to think.  In the situation of islam were your encouraged to be an orthodox believer the problem is more exagerrated.   Christianity has gained a lot of tolerance for new beliefs in recent years, and at least in the west judaism has also.  

This is kinda of theoretical and I'm not expecting people to firmly believe what I wrote.  Just consider the possible consequences of "faith".

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