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So you think that the Polish Prez plane crash was an innocent accident?

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jeromechickenbone:

--- Quote from: virtuoso on April 23, 2010, 03:15:48 AM ---I am not sure about this, it seems to me too cut and dried, there is with these things usually several layer of disinformation, or a psy op within an op and this could well be one of those.
First of all the video being shot by this russian individual, seems odd, because we see filming for around a minute, him saying words to the effect of holy hell or whatever it was and yet can clearly see near the end of the video, a man standing just in front of him, the man doesn't look alarmed by the presence of this filmer, he doesn't draw his gun etc.
Now as for what could be shots fired, it could also be the snapping of branches to but assuming it was definitely shots, you can see the aftermath, I find it extremely unlikely that anyone would have survived that crash so I see no reason for the shots being discharged into people. Therefore is it not plausible that the shots were fired up into the air as warning shots to said filmer?
Also we hear that this man was stabbed, rushed to hospital and then assassinated and yet this is known with absolute certainty but in none of the reports have we seen any mention of the victims name? it seems strange to me
However this has indeed wiped out a whole government and it's main banking arm and therefore would lead me to still be very suspicious but the finger can just as easily be pointed at the EU and not Russia.


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Yes, there is always disinfo that has to be discerned from the truth in all of these matters.  But do not get caught up in identifying a small piece of disinfo and therefore dismissing the entire body of knowledge presented. 

The facts are that Poland stood against the IMF, the H1N1 vaccine, they were one of the only countries NOT in a recession, they are actually experiencing growth, they had low debt levels, etc.

And the person replacing the President is Bilderberger/Trilateral Commission/Goldman Sachs board member.

So that gives credence to it being the NWO faction that orchestrated this.

However, the other obvious potential culprit is Russia/KGB (or whatever they're calling themselves these days).  Coincidentally, this flight was on its way to Smolensk to commemorate the 70 year anniversary of the execution of 100,000 polish officers at the hand of Russia.  Russia has always denied this and I believe pointed the finger at the Germans, but most in Poland know that it was truly Russia behind it.  And so this plane crashes in Russia, and they are heading up the investigation which is akin to the fox guarding the henhouse. 

Also, where are the bodies after the crash?

I have more but gotta bounce.  Peace

virtuoso:
My gut tells me this was orchestrated murder, I don't know about all the bodies, but I do know that they have not found the pilot. I do know that Poland was a problem for the EU because they refused to join the euro, the president was himself very nationalistic.
Like you said the regime change it has brought about is not good news for Poland but is good news for the inner circle
I don't know about the inner politics surrounding the commemoration, I thought that Russia had admitted their hand in that?
You make a good point, I am not saying you are wrong, I am simply saying have you noticed how many types the golden bullet turns out to be bullshit?
However I guess we are splitting hairs here, it doesn't matter if Russia or European intelligence service was responsible, the fact is it's deeply suspicious and once again flagrant brazen murder would not surprise me.

However for what it's worth here is what I believe, the reports of someone being assassinated are completely unsubstantiated and most likely fake.
The gunshots we heard were warning shots fired for everyone to keep away from the crash site. If you notice where the plane crashed, it was almost smack bang on a residential area and so it's likely that a number of people came swarming out, case in point the man standing just in front of the filmer.
Furthermore as you have rightly pointed out Putin former KGB of course announced that he himself would oversee the investigation and what better way to cover your trail then make sure you are the one given license to follow the trail.

One of the main reasons I am cautious about pointing the absolute finge at Russia is that unlike the murderous events of September 11 where they insisted that no black boxes were recovered, the russians have said the black boxes were recovered from the crash site.

I am just trying to gain an overview of the situation because I know what reaction they want people to have, to point it all at that filming.

Bananas:

--- Quote from: LooN3y on April 22, 2010, 10:14:43 PM ---how can a nation be so moronic to have so many of their important government representatives in plane and put them in danger liek that.

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*INSERT POLACK JOKE*

ikke:
Poland, who gives a shit.
They're like the Mexicans of Europe.

This did cross my mind for a second:
With the eruption of the Icelandic volcano it was only a mater of time before air traffic would be shut down.
Therefore Russia shot down the plane waited for the ashes to take over and regain poland's friendship while making sure European leaders couldn't attend the funeral.

Javier:
Poland has a lot of drug dealers running the government? 

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