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Saturday 9PM ET/6PM PT - Mayweather vs. Mosley
Javier:
That's my point, he needs to fight everyone and the best in 147-160 in order for some people to even give him props.
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: Javier on May 03, 2010, 03:07:12 PM ---That's my point, he needs to fight everyone and the best in 147-160 in order for some people to even give him props.
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Not everyone. But amongst true boxing fans there has always been some question as to who Floyd choses to fight. No one ever really questions whether he is a great fighter. But when you take someone like Mosley...or Pacquiao....or shit, even De La Hoya (who I think has made a HOF career off of LOSING to the greats of this generation lol), they have fought EVERY big fighter of their generations. They didnt duck anyone. Mosley took on guys like Winky Wright and Vernon Forrest. Guys who gave him all kinds of trouble. But guys who no one else wanted to fight. Roy Jones drew some criticism for his opponents...but it was always recognized that it wasnt HIS fault that he didnt have many great fighters to fight. There just werent any out there. Floyd moved into a weight class with Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, Williams, Pacquiao...etc. All of those guys were ranked way ahead of Oscar. But who did Floyd fight? An aging De La Hoya. When you look at those fighters, all of them have fought at least ONE of the others guys. Floyd has fought none of em...until just now when Mosley is 38. Even HBO made the comment that Floyd was a big favorite in this fight with Mosley...not necessarily because everyone just thinks he is the better fighter. But because betters know that Floyd wouldnt take a fight against a dangerous fighter....unless that fighter (Mosley) was just done. Those arent my words....thats HBO, who has a business interest in building UP Floyd. Too many people think that when you criticize an athlete...its hate. lol Thats childish. I think Floyd is great...but its his OWN fault that so many people question his heart, and question where he actually stands in the ranks of all time greats. And also his fault that Pacquiao is the consensus P4P champ right now.
Javier:
Mayweather got to Welterweight at the wrong time. Was he not facing the best as he was moving up all the way to Welterweight? He did work and if Oscar was in his prime at 147 when Mayweather was coming guaranteed they would have fought each other. Oscar was still fighting, albeit over the hill... so what was any boxer in Mayweather's position to do? Fight Oscar of course. That's a no brainer. In retrospect, Margarito and Cotto weren't the boxers that they were being billed at the time. Without a doubt, Mayweather would have ran circles around Margarito and make him look foolish. Probably not knock him out, but the end result would be an easy W for Mayweather. Cotto might have been a bit more interested, but his movement isn't good at all so that's just isn't good news for him to fight Mayweather. When it comes to Pac, I'll predict this. Mayweather TKO Victory before 10 rounds.
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: Javier on May 03, 2010, 03:43:24 PM ---Mayweather got to Welterweight at the wrong time. Was he not facing the best as he was moving up all the way to Welterweight? He did work and if Oscar was in his prime at 147 when Mayweather was coming guaranteed they would have fought each other. Oscar was still fighting, albeit over the hill... so what was any boxer in Mayweather's position to do? Fight Oscar of course. That's a no brainer. In retrospect, Margarito and Cotto weren't the boxers that they were being billed at the time. Without a doubt, Mayweather would have ran circles around Margarito and make him look foolish. Probably not knock him out, but the end result would be an easy W for Mayweather. Cotto might have been a bit more interested, but his movement isn't good at all so that's just isn't good news for him to fight Mayweather. When it comes to Pac, I'll predict this. Mayweather TKO Victory before 10 rounds.
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Kind of hard to say "if he fought them" you know? You have to see two fighters get in the ring. Margarito destroyes Cotto, Cotto beat Mosley, and Mosley destroyes Margarito lol.
The thing is, EVERYBODY wanted to fight De La Hoya at one point. So Floyd was no different of course. De La Hoya is the money maker and everyone knew it. You fight De La Hoya, its gonna be a big fight and you will get paid. So unfortunately the politics of boxing creates fights like that...rather then ones that SHOULD happen. The problem for me only comes when Mayweather runs his mouth about being the greatest...and no one can compare. Shit like "just look at my record" lol. Of course he is undefeated. He weighs every opponent on a risk/reward basis. And if a tough fighter is out there, but not a big enough name for him to make 20 million off the fight...he wont take it. Even if THAT is the best fighter out there for him to fight. How many of the GREATEST fighters were undefeated?? The reason is because the greatest fighters, for the most part, fought the OTHER greatest fighters of their era. Not just the ones that they could make the most money on...and be able to beat. If Mayweather wants to say he has the greatest record right now...cool. Cant argue against that. But dont give me that bullshit about being the greatest when youve hid from the other elite fighters.
Btw, this is the issue I used to have with people saying Julio Caeser Chavez was the greatest when he was like 80-0....and no one could name even 5 fighters that he faced cus they were all nobodies lol
And for Mayweather/Pacquiao (if it happens). I dunno what to think. Really I think it can go either way. Everytime I watch Pacquiao...I get worried that he is in there with someone too big who might drop him...and then he crushes them. So if De La Hoya or Cotto couldnt stop him (who are much harder punchers then Floyd), I dont see how Floyd will KO him. The key will be for Pacquiao to punch in combinations. Thats the mistake Mosley made. You cant go for the one punch KO with Floyd. Plus, when you punch only once at a time it makes it too easy for him to counter. I say Pacquiao by decision.
The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 03, 2010, 10:06:30 AM ---
--- Quote from: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on May 03, 2010, 06:03:55 AM ---Arum said he wants Pacquiao to have his next fight in Sept-Dec. That gives him enough time to detox off w/e enhancements he may or may not be on... I don't see why he won't take the drug tests.. If you aint on nothing, why is it such a big deal.. It isn't any kind of defamation, I think Floyd just wants an even fight, and that's the proper way to make sure he gets one..
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He said he would take the drug tests already. He just believes that when he took the blood tests before the Morales fight, it made him weaker for the fight. He mentioned that way back after the Morales fight....so it isnt just some excuse he has come up with now. He believes that being the smaller man, giving blood will affect him more then Mayweather and put him at a disadvantage. He already said before, he would give blood tests all the way up until 24 days before the fight...so youll know if he has been on any PED's during training. And take another test immediately after the fight, to guarantee no PED's in his system during the fight. Sounds good enough for any logical person. Floyd is just making excuses to not fight at this point.
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So the Olympic style testing requires tests directly before and after the fight? Yeah, 24 hours is a short enough span, I didn't know that. In that case, man up Floyd!
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