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Why So Many Old People Are Stupid
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Triple OG Rapsodie:
Who are you to say I'm not a real fan? I've been listening to Em since he came out. How old are you and when did you start listening to him? A real fan can enjoy his music but at the same time take a step back and realize that his controversial image is a marketing tool. How exactly do you relate to his music? Do you relate to killing bitches, being homicidal and acting insane? Because that is the basis of the character he built up starting with the Slim Shady lp. Or do you mean you only relate to the songs when he is being serious. He has made serious songs, but the majority of his music has been for shock value. Hell, Em even admits this in his own lyrics when he has to constantly remind you he is just joking. You don't seriously believe half his lyrics do you? Because if you do, the song stan is talking about you.
TraceOneInfinite:
See homie, that's why I say you don't really understand Eminem or aren't a true fan when you say the Slim Shady LP was just about killing or sensationalism to sell records.
First off I'm 27 and been heavy into hip-hop ever since I was 11 or 12 and "Wit A Dre Day" was blowin up on MTV that summer.
I was actually a fan of Eminem's before even hearing his music. When I read a summer 98 Rap Pages article about him and his signing to Dre's Aftermath label that was all I needed to know.
As for the Slim Shady LP even when he's clowning or rapping about violence it doesn't make it simply a "gimmick to sell records", its so much more then that, and I can still relate to it even though I'm not a violent person or drug addict or whatever...a few points...
1. It's catharsis for the mind. Think about when you throw up how you feel afterwards. You feel like you've cleaned whatever garbage was in yur stomach and it's now empty and free. Well a lot of the off the wall rhymes on SSLP had a deeper meaning and purpose towards catharsis of clearing the mind of tension and angst and making it free and clear.
2. A song like Giulty Conscience, you can relate to the concept of a bad and evil side being in you. "My Name Is" hes basically introducing himself to the world and I could relate to his character because he was a white dude who loved hiphop when it wasnt really socially acceptable for whites, and had family issues with his mom, problems in school, and felt like who he was as a person was under attack and he had to be creative to continue to express himself. So many songs follow such a pattern.
3. Anyone can relate to good music. Eminem had a great sound on the album, flow, delivery, etc. A symphony doesnt have any words yet you relate to it because it responds to the rythyms that exist in our brain, pulse, and neaurosystem. It touches our emotions as well.
Triple OG Rapsodie:
I'm not saying its not great music. It can still be great music and be a gimmick at the same time, which it clearly is.
"what else can i say to make noise, i done touched on everything but little boys"
what does this line tell you? It's Eminem himself telling you he says what he says for shock value. That's why its called a gimmick. Its a marketing tool used to gain attention. Its what made him blow up. He clearly didn't make My Name Is or Guilty Conscience with anything serious in mind. Controversy sells. And Em has milked it to a pulp. They didn't call him the king of controversy for nothing. Why would he make homophobic lyrics and then turn out to be cool with gays in real life? Why would he make a song about killing his wife, and then end up getting back with her? He clearly doesn't believe in a lot of the things he raps about. He does it for comedic affect and to shock people. Again, going back to the original point of this argument which was to say that the majority of Eminem's music does not reflect his personal feelings.
I don't know any simpler way to prove this to you, other than to use Eminem's words himself
--- Quote ---A lot of people ask me.. stupid fucking questions
A lot of people think that.. what I say on records
or what I talk about on a record, that I actually do in real life
or that I believe in it
Or if I say that, I wanna kill somebody, that..
I'm actually gonna do it
or that I believe in it
Well, shit.. if you believe that
then I'll kill you
You know why?
Cause I'm a
--- End quote ---
TraceOneInfinite:
I agree with your point that Eminem does try to increase the shock value in his music. Him and Dre even admitted the importance of shock value in his music. I remember Dre saying he was wondering how the shock value on Em's second album could ever match that of the SSLP, and that he was pleasantly surprised when they completed MMLP, because he had actually topped it.
Also, Eminem says the idea behind D12 was to say the most over the top shit that they could say.
Now.. I've looked up the definition of gimmick so we can be clear...
gim·mick
/ˈgɪmɪk/ Show Spelled[gim-ik] Show IPA
-noun
1.
an ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, esp. one designed to attract attention or increase appeal.
So I guess according to that definition I can't argue that Eminem makes use of "gimmick".
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...But getting back to the original argument you were saying that Em's music couldn't reflect growth because it has nothing to do with him and is just a gimmick. And I think that was a very limiting perspective to have. Because we've seen how Eminem's art has changed and grown and along with his own life.
If we take a snapshot of the progression of his albums, you'll see he went from "Backstabbers" to "Guilty Conscience" then advancing to "Stan" and then "Say Goodbye To Hollywood" and then finally reached his height and peeked out with "Lose Yourself". Now, admittedly, he lost his focus after that and he admits Relapse was a step backward.
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